Its something that hits me at the core of my life as I have older siblings who wanted to "play doctor" and there were minor issues, but nothing compared to what I have heard and seen others go thru. Truly it is the horror part of the "blood and horror" the adversary has sworn in his wrath to bring about on this earth as part of his telestial reign - which is about to end shortly. CHUMP!!!
Too many times, we worry more about our reputation as individuals or as institutions (Penn State, Boy Scout coverups come to mind.....), and the victims are left to suffer a second humiliation as their very real experiences are covered up and they are often mocked and made to look or feel like the perpetrator. In my case, I brought something inappropriate that an older sibling had foisted on me and my older brother that was relatively innocuous, but that would surface in a worthiness interview with a P-hood authority if all parties were being completely honest. A denial was made by this older sibling at that point and the matter eventually re-surfaced in a family gathering setting around 10pm in a State Park after the other kids were all out of earshot and asleep in tents. Eventually, the entire family gathered around these picnic tables and it became a contest of words. I was called a liar, told my memory was wrong (I laughed at that one - since no one could even come close to my MENSA score or SAT scores), told a whole host of other raunchy things in defense of this more socially heeled sibling of that pack. I was pretty steamed - that kind of response was not what I expected. I have two brothers that were on Stake High Councils at that time. One was silent - the one who had participated in the "playing doctor" and the other one who was vigorously slapping me down alongside my older sister (I have to call the perp here - until full repentance comes about and this is properly resolved). I was so incensed, I felt as if I were with a pack of wolves instead of the loving siblings one would expect. I understand that kids do stupid things, but this was after the age of 8 and the 12 or 13 year old sister should have known better at that age. At the age she was at, I expected far more from here. So instead of open-ness and frankness, there was tamping down, obfuscating, covering up - and that kind of stuff really hacks me off. I am a very open person - I think there is no better way to operate. I think that is how the Lord operates - and the opposite model is the d'evil and those works in the dark, behind closed doors, etc. My next older brother was there, and I pointed out that detail and said that if anyone really wanted to know the truth, they could ask him; and I finally stormed off to bed. That was a fitful night's rest. The next morning we summarily packed up our camp and split for the rest of our vacation in Montana. At that point, I was sure I could find better company with a pack of the endangered grey ones, than that posse at that time. My brother, as I was steaming off, came up to the car and I rolled down the window. He affirmed that he was there and that it all went down - just as described. There was instant respect from me to him. I then charged him to individually let people know that piece of information - he was afraid of getting crucified by the group, as well - and then I drove off. Why do people value the praise of the world or their family members more than the truth anyway?? Am I just a freak, or what?? I think its the engineer in me - more interested in facts and data than the fluffy socially/politically correct garbage that people project onto each other.
The devil seeks to destroy all that is good and right. I have said it before on pieces, he is enraged because he will never know the thrill of kneeling across the altar staring into the eyes of someone who loves him as much as they do themselves, never know the thrill of holding a newborn in his arms, never know the sweet association and bonding of two married people coupling in tender union, never know the simple pleasure of taking a shower with the sunlight streaming through the window, never know what a pear tastes like - things we many times take for granted. Because of this lack in his existence, there is perpetual rage and hatred whose flame will never be extinguished. This rage is then turned against those things that bring you and I the greatest joy and the highest exaltation in this life - and, as a result, there is perversion of sexual union/pornography, attempts to destroy the sacred association of the temple, attempts to destroy trust of others and/or Priesthood authority, attempts to have others live lives of perversion that will lead them to oppose our highest covenants - the sealing of man and wife for time and all eternity; as we have seen happen with the assault on DOMA. And, I have to say, he and his minions are doing quite a fantastic job of it..... Its now official in three other states including the state of Washington - I just wait for the consequences to rain down on this place.
Here is a response I made to a query as to whether there really is a problem within the Church (and many other organizations, as well) related to this stuff:
There is a reason you have bumped into this lady and that she shared that with you. Yes, there is a problem with this in the Church. I have no clue how serious the width or the breadth. That is why I was hoping to tease out your (your friend's) experience without sounding too prying. To add more data points to the pile I have. I have somewhat of a discernment about me about this kind of thing - but I was testing it to see if my assumptions were correct. I would be curious if your friend is currently experiencing (or has in the past) any mental health issues - taking meds, etc due to this.
My wife is an abuse survivor - but thankfully not of that kind of abuse. Its all satanic abuse - just that one involves people who quite literally will spend time rotting under the buffetings of the highest devils for the amount of hell they have created for innocent children. Remember the millstone quote..... If those people have had the full truth and fallen (many leaders) - I do expect them to be the sons/daughters of perdition. I feel for your friend's husband. The abuse victim's husband/family are survivors, as well by association with the one who has suffered the direct abuse. My wife still struggles with how she perceives P-hood leadership - her step-father had just abused her a few weeks after baptizing her in the Gunnison River. When our first kid reached 8, the first signs of taking on water began to appear. Every step of raising kids has brought something new to the surface at each trigger point - when the abuse occurred. Currently, she is seeking out the best counselors. She (we) have spent around $20K of my employer's dollars on counseling at $100/per billable hour...... Sad - truly sad.....
My wife's abuse was the result of one spiritually sick man who had been a victim of abuse by his 17 year old female babysitter. He had an alcoholic problem (probably related to that abuse?) that he had been hiding for years, even as he operated as a Branch President in a very small Colorado town where he was one of the few moderately active men who could be called to that position. My wife has suffered with the effects of it for years - and has been supremely mistrustful of men. It has created such internal angst in her that she cannot wear her wedding ring - not because she doesn't love me, but because, though its 18K gold, the acid in her skin acts like an anode and reacts with the copper in the gold alloy and produces a bactracide (like a copper IUD), turns the skin green (which clued me in to what was going on) kills the natural flora on the skin within an inch of it and causes her skin to chap and get funky there. I am actually selling the ring I gave her on our wedding day and getting one made from Titanium or Platinum that is pure and will not react to her pH levels. With a constant level of stress and attendant cortisol levels, her B12 levels finally plunged along with the rapid birthing of kids after we lost Dallin. Both of those factors (plus another huge one which I will not go into with another female, involving some doctrine that changed in the late 1970's) was too much for her - and she basically snapped. That was the third part of my "Dallin dream" - that happened while I was visiting her in the psych ward of the local hospital where I heard the exact phraseology I was given in that dream over the overhead speaker during visiting hours. That stuff was the "horror" part of the blood and horror part that satan brings about on this earth. People cannot figure why I want this whole thing to be brought down - because the only way to root this stuff out out completely. And this is absolutely the worst stuff on this earth - forget, really the stuff that is going on in DC or in a Monsanto lab - this is what I would seek after if I were given all power like Nephi had (I would seriously trash some stuff if it were ever bestowed - so I probably would never have that privilege - way too much unrighteous dominion and not enough self-restraint here....). You will find that there is 2-5% of the Church leadership is involved in some form of this, 50-70% of the power brokers at the national and world leadership levels are. The whole Sandusky thing at Penn State - the charity he was running for vulnerable and disadvantaged youth was being used to condition the young boys who were then circulated "for use" by the wealthy donors of that college and the wealthy elite of DC. Yup, you now know what is going on the circles of the power elite. Two high level investigators disappeared without a trace because they asked too many questions. I can provide details, if you want. There is a whole undercurrent of that kind of thing that I am only vaguely aware of - and the reason they do not utterly shut down the trafficking of women/boys legislatively. It would shut down their supply of "fresh meat" - and that trade does rely on new initiates in order to keep the parasite alive. Occasionally, some of what is actually going on leaks into the press - like the Senator Craig scandal. They try and keep it "tidy" so that the masses continue to believe them. Type in "Bohemian Grove satanic abuse" and see what you see. It is hair standing on end kind of stuff - complete with Molech worship. Again, I feel myself wanting to have the ability to call down fire from heaven to "consume their sacrifice". That's our "male" national leadership right there - with male and female escorts - having a great time at the good old boy club..... Most of it being recorded surreptitiously so that people will toe the line back in DC if they ever decide to step out of it and come clean. Think of your "reputation" or "your wife and kids".... And people wonder why I wished that plane from Penn had made it the next couple of hundred miles to DC while the whole lot of them were in session. It would have been the best use of those lives and a 200 million dollar airplane that were wasted in a field in Pennsylvania..... I am dead serious. If I have to die before my time, just make it for a good cause so that I have a good story on the other side - and make it where I can be a part of taking some of the trash to the curb. I would have considered those "terrorists" and helpless passengers as heroes for having delivered us from the hell we have. I had some level of hope on Romney. Simply put, the good guys cannot win any more because of those at the highest levels will keep their cronies in power. At this juncture, God steps in and has to fight - its way bigger than what righteous people can handle without assistance. So when bad things come about shortly - remember what is on the other side for you and your innocent charges. Its just like child birth - it stinks while you are in it, then lots of peace, love and goodness afterward.
As far as innocent charges go, my wife and I are very vigilant of those around us. The abusers come in many forms and some have some great packaging (titles, callings). I am not sure about that stuff going on in our actual temples (other than Manti??). Maybe that portion of the ceremony (verbiage) laced with a visual trigger of being led from room to room in a home to mimic how things are in the temple?? I will say this - where you no longer see miracles in the Church; which is pretty much across the board, then you need to be worried because stuff as evil as that is sapping the collective strength from the people. Where you see heavy psychotropic use or cuttings, or suicide, or divorce rates, incidences above the statistically accepted norm of 0.5% in the general population of gay people, or a host of other things, be worried. It is just an outward manifestation of that kind of thing - the reason I will not live in Utah or small towns pretty much anywhere. Funky stuff happens where people can control the effects. I can also say, these tests given to people like your friend are there because she is an incredible person - just as my wife is - and this is probably the hardest thing they can go thru in order to test them to see if they will remain true and faithful. I can tell you, though she may not act on it at this point in her life (since she saw her protecting angel and was prevented from doing so) she is probably secretly longing for the Lord to take her from this vale of tears - precisely because you cannot shake the effects - EVER.
I was first made aware of it right around the time that memo you shared was released. It made it into the highest levels of the Church and even various levels of government. There was a case in Wenatchee, WA right down the road from where I was living at the time. I was working over there (eastern, WA) to get dating dollars for BYU. I always seem to attract these types of people who just wanted to talk, as well. Probably because I will shine a flashlight on it to help it go away - and God knows it and puts me in the path of people and situations where I can learn, and then share. Maybe I should share this openly on the blog, for that reason. Anyway, I met a guy at the vegetable processing plant I worked at whose name I think is Mark. He was a relatively inactive member of the Church - but an incredibly good person, nonetheless. Part of the reason he was not coming out anymore was because of what he was going thru by virtue of his wife. She was the daughter of someone in Church leadership in Ephrata, WA and there had been something along the lines of what your friend was talking about, going on. It involved the EQ Pres, RS Pres, at least one Bishopric counselor (their spouses, too) and several other couples in that ward. It was real as day - and the abuse of Mark's wife was not handled well, when it was discovered. The thing spread like a cancer into the neighboring stakes. Wenatchee was the worst. The church stuff was swatted down internally and never made the news. A few years later, I read about the civil case in Wenatchee (unrelated to the Strengthening of the Members official investigation in that Stake) that came about - but it was all swept under the carpet officially by the judges and authorities. The network has made it to the top of government and I believe parts and parcels of the Church - and they do not like embarrassment, so it always ends in denials and obfuscations and goes away. Occasionally, a person has to be "taken care of" and there are DBs to deal with. There is usually a good reason for that person's "suicide" or disappearance..... And people wonder why I want the Millennium to come. I always ask if people are serious for questioning my motives. When you have the two opposites - who would not choose the one over the other. I will take the other one absolutely regardless of the amount of pain required to go thru to get there.
So, the short answer is yes, this stuff is for real. Its the majority of the reason there are 10% of RMs who return home who then "become" gay - not all, but alot of it. Its the reason there is alot of inactivity, divorce, disaffection of the Church in parts of Utah. Its the reason there will be so much destruction there when the time finally comes. I always tell the good people to get out while they can. Its going to be a wild ride.
I would love to hear more of what your friend has to say. I am a loudmouth and may just put my side of the convo on the blog. I think this needs to get out there - not to slander the Church or people - but the path to any healing is talking about it and realizing you are not alone and that people are fighting for something that has SEVERELY impacted you.
________, you are a good person to the core. Your concerns and pursuits prove that to me. Keep up the good fight - you will go far.
Iraq.
As a last thought as a key of knowledge in the discernment battle - people who are into this will shun the discussion of it like the plague most of the time. They are among those who should be avoided. I have two older siblings I am suspicious of because they will obfuscate and deny this kind of thing til the cows come home. And each of them wanted my two older kids to come spend time with them at one point or another. I DO NOT deal with people who are not transparent in all things.
As a final note, I will add this and I do not hope that I get dinged for it. Just so you know how bad and insidious this stuff is, my friend says that indeed the stuff did occur (LIMITED, I am sure) within the SL edifice and that the authorities are aware of it. It blows my mind - but lets me know with yet one more witness that this stuff needs to be swept away from off the face of the earth. Maybe a gutting of the temple by water would be good and necessary to get a "fresh start" after a post-cleanse re-dedication. Where there may be structural issues in leadership and there are funerals as Spencer has said, maybe this will be a good and necessary thing. Good and wonderful people will be affected by what is coming as "collateral damage" so to speak, but those collateral spin offs will be necessary to purge the trash we are surrounded with. Thus the reason I have clearly said, to get yourself surrounded by those who are at least striving - and you should be able to minimize the collateral effects. In the old days, the Lord was able to spirit groups off to places of safety and refuge and then cleanse the balance. Now, there is no place to go (but up, I guess.....). That is why the spiritual preparedness is as much, or more important than the physical preparedness. Read up on what Gayle had to say about it on this blog. She was right. Most of all, do not lose sleep over it. Just repent daily, ponder on it, go to the Temple frequently and the right thing for you will occur.
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ReplyDeleteJoyful Saint - sorry, this is not a very joyful topic. One that should be brought out in the open, though. Most all of what was said in the previous post assumes you have been reading regularly the last few months - thus the reason it appears to be written in code. Most of the piece was a response to a personal e-mail a reader had when asking about the Glenn L Pace memo on sexual abuse in the Church that was leaked many years ago. Apparently, there was entrenched abuse going on - some of which had allegedly occurred in the SL Temple. I was in direct contact with the husband of a gal that had been part of the Church's investigation into the Ephrata, WA satanic abuse cell. A reader could not believe it, so I shared what I knew on that subject. There is alot more I have not said on many levels, but I put the stuff out there I felt comfortable talking about at this time. I will do a piece on this stuff in the leadership ranks of our nation - stuff that is too salacious even for this blog. I will step up, though and do it at some point in the future when I have more time. If you knew what I knew - you would be calling for the destruction of those in the halls of power across this nation. Its utterly sickening.
ReplyDeleteHere is an article that talks about it: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705269563/Book-aims-to-aid-victims-of-ritual-abuse.html
ReplyDeleteThe comments at the end of the article give alot more perspective. If you do not think the d'evil is smart, you are wrong. He has so tightly intertwined the abuse with the associations of the temple and baptism that the SRA survivors are traumatized and the external perception of the Church is irreparably harmed by the disclosure and realization of such stuff.
This stuff is so tightly held and covered up, it will never see the light of day without brave people stepping forward. I finally decided I am going to do my part. I will never be accused of keeping my mouth shut.....lol
I also understand that there are hellish people that will take this and try and slander the Church with it like Lighthouse and other "ministries" that are trying to paint us as a cult. Their day is coming shortly - just as it did with Tal Bachman and others who set out to destroy. Their folly is being made manifest as we speak.
I knew Tal had left the Church, but is there some comeuppance he has received that you are referring to?
Deletethanks for some of the clarification...I occasionally visit h..makow.. and vehemently disagree with some of his stuff...but find other things to be disgustingly relevant. So many good people are in the grips of porn...and it's just the beginning of what horrible sins can do to your ability to conquer evil. The Lord must come soon, or destroy tech...so that my sons will have a chance of remaining true and faithful....I dont know how we will survive...any wife who thinks her husband is not tempted is naive...or that her sons/daughters are not partaking is foolish. It is ubiquitous.
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ReplyDeleteYou have made a very good point with this entire post. I too have seen and heard terrible things in Utah. My friends have married locals who also have suffered abuse at the hands of local leadership or even have had siblings who have suffered such abuse. Some of it I have learned about in very private conversations with good friends, just in the last several months.
How can we have so much knowledge as a people and yet give the devil so much power in our lives? We are not nearly as pure as we would like to claim! Could every ward and stake be infiltrated by such garbage? I just don't know anymore.
Unfortunately, the Lord has prompted me to relocate to Utah. Montana and Alberta sound wonderful, but I have not been given a green light to move on. Maybe I too will be destroyed when the Lord's judgments are finally executed. In the dream that I've told you about, I know for sure that I would be destroyed if I were to remain in Texas. So why change locations just to suffer the same fate in a new place? I don't know.
In any case, I really have cherished all your thoughts, especially on the election and the wickedness that the majority voice now chooses. Regardless of what other comments you have received, stay strong to your convictions as I think you are more right than you even realize. Follow the promptings of the Spirit in what you discuss, regardless of whom you offend. Please don't cower from your convictions, no matter what anyone says or what comments you receive.
Just my two cents. God bless you and your wife S-!
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Our bodies physically hold onto trauma. There are stories of organ recipients having memories from the deseased donors. As we fast, and detox (losing weight counts too)... Our body tissue releases past trauma.... It can be really intense. I have a compulsive eating disorder, and am nearly 300lb.... I am somewhat afraid of the memories and trauma that i will have to face when I choose to get rid of my crutch. I am no couch potato by any means... I hike regularly, have great blood pressure (110/60), and LOVE good healthy food.... But struggle to control the bad stuff.
ReplyDeleteBack on subject.... I wonder how many of the millions of obese americans are holding on to fat and sicknesses to hide trauma and memories they cannot deal with right now.