Sunday, September 30, 2012


I have nothing personal to add here.  I am fascinated by this topic, but I defer to one who is way ahead of me.  This from Serenitylala - and it appears that there are some keys here to receiving your calling and election sure:
          What I love about Guardian Angels is that they are constantly returning and reporting the things that we do. So it's a never-ending cycle of angels that come down here to minister to us and protect us from harm. A good example of this is the vision Jacob had of angels ascending and descending down a ladder to the earth.

There was one guardian angel that watched over me in my youth, whom has long since returned and reported. I was walking home from school one day and I took a common short cut through a small patch of desert along a trail that was no more than 15 feet long. The brush was only calf high and there were no trees around.

Halfway down the trail, when I felt someone goose my behind with a very good pinch. I jumped a foot into the air and hopped a foot forward on the trail, before turning around ready to fight the gooser. Heavens, only knows how startled a young girl would be to have their butt goosed when moments before they were alone.

Before me appeared for only a moment an image of an angel that had once lived as a Templar. Waving at me, he grinned this gianormous grin and then pointed down at where I was about to step before he pinched me. Then he disappeared.

I looked where he had pointed and a rattlesnake slid across where I would have stepped. ( I guess that was a good enough reason to pinch a girl's bum.)

Needless to say, I hunted this man down in my ancestry and found his name, the Spirit was so strong on my ancestor's name. He died in 1156 and was a Templar in his life. Good man, and had his temple work done since the 1930s.

This particular angel saved my life twice. So I owe him big. :D Downright fun angel to have around.
 There are people that have angels watching over them and ministering to them, that unfortunately do nothing of report in terms of spiritual progress and their poor angels are unable to return and report.

New guardian/ministering angels come as the old ones leave when a person has progressed in their spiritual nature so to speak... that's using wrong terms, but this is an open site... and I'm choosing my words accordingly.

So let us take the laws of the temple as an example of steps in progression (this case is of messenger angels, but the laws that govern guardian angels are similar):

D&C 130:20-21
20 There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which all blessings are predicated—
21 And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated.

Law of Sacrifice is given this one by Eloheim.

Law of sacrifice is kept so angels are sent down to give instructions and blessings as well as further laws.

Law of the Gospel: This is given then the angel messengers return in report, when the act is satisfactory to the law.

This law is kept earning another law and blessing... which the angels are given to return and report.

Law of Gospel is kept, and change of heart takes place. Representative of the Baptism of Fire and the Holy Ghost (I won't go into this stuff here.)

Then Law of Chastity is given and angels return and report when this is satisfactory.

The same with the Law of Consecration and Order of prayer which are given at the same time. Then they return and report.

Then after sufficient progress, the angels return to report.

Then they descend back down to introduce the person at the veil, which is representative of the person receiving their calling and election made sure. And there went the whole process.

In this example, the angels don't change, because these angels, being Peter, James, and John have all these keys to administer and there is no need for changing them for angels with more authority (if there were any).

In the case of guardian/ministering angels they remain until a level of progression is achieved by their Charge (the mortal they are watching), wherein they return and report, and in most cases (if the change in the mortal is sufficient enough), a new set of guardian angels is sent to administer and guard the Charge.... These new angels have the authority to teach a higher set of principle as well as handle the more difficult challenges from the adversary that will come to the Charge as a side effect of progression.

It is a system of perfect order.

There is a quote by Joseph Smith that talks about the closer a man gets to the Lord and the greater the manifestations he receives, the more harsh the attacks from the adversary are, even to the degree of the manifestations from the Lord. Or in other words, the better things you receive, the worse things the adversary is allowed to throw at you.

So to use a numbered system, the Lord doesn't send in a level 2 to handle a level 6 need. Sounds harsh to give them levels like this, but I don't know how else to describe it and Miss Mendenhall uses a numbered system of sorts, so I guess it works.

In all honesty, I have been given to understand that it is a colored mantle system, but other than that, I have no further knowledge on the subject.

Sorry, for my poor choice of words in the last post. I have a hard time explaining things sometimes.


I have always been a counter-culture kind of guy.  If things are headed one way, I usually roll the other way.  I have found it to be the way to go since I was a little guy.  While all my friends were out partying in High School, I was studying for tests.  When my friends were all vying for the coolest or most popular, I was just trying to be a nice guy.  When my friends were all investing in the coolest cars, I was investing in college education.  While at BYU, the trend of political correctness was just coming out and my wife's former roommate became the head of that movement as one of the editors at the student rag and later (now) she is directing the Sunstone conferences.  I shudder at that little detail....  It was during those BYU years that I became more brash and un-PC - that really drove my abhorrence for conformance home.  Jesus despised the conformists, as well.  The mindless bots who ran the show in the day - so eager to conform that they could not see the obvious around them.

Today I went to the Nike outlet store to unload some gift cards and get some cheap, reliable shoes for the kids; that is the only reason I was there - and not to necessarily conform with some societally-mandated norm....  The experience was a mad rush with all of the Canadian shoppers down from Vancouver.  People were obsessed and driven; as if on some kind of treadmill with no off switch - many had a blank, emotionless, almost surreal expression on their faces, as if they could not slake their unquenchable thirst that consumerism supposedly would relieve them of.  I was just there to get some reliable, comfortable shoes at a decent price.  I did not necessarily care whether they had a swoosh on the side or a pouncing predatory cat.

So it amazes me, the herd mentality I see around me.  People driven by what they see on TV, what they are told is normal by their friends, people who are victims of what surrounds them; their acrid environment that provides no comfort and lasting relief to the spiritual questions of life.  People who, one day, may just slowly come to a realization that all they have done in the course of their lives was utterly meaningless because the life they lived was not founded on their Rock.

If the world says 2.2 children, I say 6 or 8.

If the world says equal marital rights to all, I say "What has God said on the matter - as for me and mine, we will serve the Lord."

If the world says, "Eat, drink and be merry.".  I say sober up and pay attention to the corruption around you.

If the world says, "Just this once won't hurt."  I say, total committed obedience.

If the world says, "151 channels of anything you want."  I say, get a book; better, the scriptures or commentary on them, and curl up on a couch.

Even in practical things, while the world was buying up 10 cylinder gas guzzling monster SUVs, I was buying up and fixing a practical diesel car that got 50mpg in anticipation of the fuel price hikes that would come from the pinch on the supply from all the large SUVs.

As the world becomes more wicked, you can choose the path you should follow, often simply by doing the opposite of what is being peddled out there as normal.  So, as members of the Lord's Church on this earth, we should never seek to be popular with the world.  We should seek to be good people, but quietly and secretly hated, loathed and eventually hunted and killed of them.  When our religion becomes so quietly mutated that the persecution stops and it then becomes the beloved state religion - while the commandments of God are clearly being flaunted, we are in danger of hell-fire and in the grips of the adversary as the ancient church was almost 2,000 years ago.

Monday, September 24, 2012


I have a comment in the previous posts about what I had said about the Lord hiding people up above 3000'.
I am at 3000' elevation and the people of Cardston are at 4400' elevation.  The foothills of the Oquirrhs are at around 4000' elevation.  I know these areas have been designated specifically as gathering places for those who have been displaced.  So that statement of 3000' was not meant to cause alarm - just to state my composite feelings based on the massive amount of data I have seen that if you are near a coastline, you should have a plan to get to higher ground or you will find yourself looking at the Fukushima mess and wondering why you did not take the lesson and have an alternate plan.  That incident was child's play.  Why would I make such a statement?  I have been throwing clues out there for years as to what has happened in the past - and what will happen in the near future.  For example, a massive Pacific event several thousand years ago threw boulders the size of buses up to 5 miles inland in Australia causing massive damage.  That was not a 15 foot or 30 foot wave like we have recently witnessed on our globe, that was on the order of thousands of feet and hundreds of miles an hour in speed - MASSIVE by any definition.  This was found when studying what caused coastal ravines to develop.  It was not necessarily from the slow action of streams wearing through the strata over thousands of year, but rather the massive outflow of water back into the sea from where it came after the huge tidal wave event. 

Coral blocks the size of houses were cast up inland in Tonga - they even found the place in the surrounding atol that these pieces came from as massive waves mounted the shore.  Iohani Wolfgramm said the same kind of thing would sweep the people from those islands again if they did not repent - that coming directly from the Lord's mouth.  I have to wonder if the people of that island are ahead of where they were in 1978, or if they have followed the same downward trajectory we are on in the US?  I have no way to gauge that, other than by parallels of the membership in the Church in Hawaii having to be chided as they were the first state of the nation to accept gay "marriage" by referendum.  California/Oregon/Washington all falling to the same sirens calling from the cliffs of insanity....  Hawaii is on the docket to be swept of a huge wave - so is NZ for reasons I cannot tell at this moment.  I always thought NZ had a leg up - apparently not according to a Maori matriarch with a prophetic gift.

We have been warned of the seas heaving themselves beyond their bounds.  That was not a random or inconsequential reference to some incident such as the Banda Aceh EQ and related tsunami or the Fukushima EQ and tsunami, I have seen and heard enough to know that this will probably be the big one (wherein no man can stand) and will not cause a sea to heave itself beyond the bounds, but it will be seas in the plural.  The Russians and Chinese are all building cities inland off the coasts that can withstand this kind of thing.  God has hidden modern Ephraim, Judah, the Hopi, the Swiss, the Nepalese and one African tribe all inland and at elevation in order to have the best chance to physically survive what is coming.  Granted, Jerusalem is just over 2200' elevation, I am an aerospace engineer, so I always throw in a factor of safety to account for sloshing from the bigger bodies of water such as the Atlantic or Pacific.  Maybe not so much for the Mediterranean.

I haven't got the time to give the accounts of the people I have talked to who mention the water.  One man, who I was randomly put into my path of at work, actually died, went to heaven and saw God and then was sent back, healed by the 3 Nephites and became a godly person.  His first act after his life-changing event was to prepare his place of safety at 6500' elevation in eastern Washington.  I have his abbreviated account here - the details he shared over multiple lunches, but were not included in his account is what boggles the mind.  I asked why such a remote place and he told me that the water from what occurred in the Pacific Ocean was sloshing in the inland basin all the way north into the Omak, WA area.  This corroborates what my SIL saw in some sort of dream or vision of a wave coming off the Pacific in Oregon and cresting the coastal range as it came into the Willamette valley.  Generally, I will not say something unless I am pretty firm on it as I do not want to freak people out or send them down a wrong path - or unless I am trying to tease information out of people - such as more info on the path that the 10 tribes will take on their way to the NJ; that is completely random info at this point and I am just working on teasing out if there is something to it, or not - though I have my ideas.  I will say this, I am not afraid to share what I get for myself.  I had so many impressions years ago during the meltdowns that caused me to make financial choices to navigate that minefield without too much damage.  If I had shared those feelings with close associates, several of them would have been hundreds of thousands of dollars better off than they are now.  It is for this and many other reasons that I open up and just throw it all out there - but I caveat everything I say with the disclaimer of pray and figure it out for yourselves.  I receive NO revelation for anyone else - so I have to say that you would need to find out for yourself.  One of the feedback buttons I have installed at the bottom of each post is the "YOU ARE WAY OFF BASE" button.  If there is something you feel I am way off base on, I do not take offense it if it being used.  I have been wrong in a major way before.   I once had a troll on the blog who hit that button for every post for some time - that was obvious.

Anyway, I have rounded up to 3000', but feel that 2400-2600' is a bare minimum to be at for reasons posted above and so many others I have not been able to share due to not having the time to look it all up again. 


Boy, do I love the Prophet Joseph Smith.  For any non-LDS reading this, we do not worship the man, we just revere him as any mortal called to do a major work among God's children such as Moses or Elijah or Noah.  I happen to be able to heavily identify with him.  Truly, he was named properly - having such a propensity for dreams and visions as his forefather, Joseph of Egypt did.  Both were saviors among their people for having used this gift.  Many ancestors of Joseph can be identified by their possession of this gift - some by this and their red or reddish-brown hair.  Others, through Manasseh, will have this gift but have the physical characteristics of their mother of the darker hair.  If you have not read the previous post on apocryphal love story of Joseph and his lovely wife, I recommend it highly.   She went through a powerful conversion process complete with an angelic ministrant.

I hope you find this video of Joseph's last dream as much a tear jerker as I and my wife did tonight.  Like I said earlier, its almost merciful that we do not know what is coming and that the Lord shuts off this revelatory process and just gives impressions in order that we are not too mentally distressed over the picture that would be arrayed before our minds - as was the case right before our boy died:

We found this link while looking for the dream he had just prior to this one about the in-fighting to be had among the Saints just prior to the Lord's return.  Joseph barely recognized "the farm" that he had left so many years before.  I believe this is the same farm mentioned in Section 96 of the Doctrine and Covenants and alternately called the Johnson Farm after the one it was finally deeded to.  Truly, it will take a purging among the Saints in order to return things to the former acceptable state.  For my family and the people around me, I pray for kid gloves - not that I do not mind a good trial or two to shake me up out of my deep sleep, but I sense we are collectively really trying here.  We should be given some measure of relief for good behavior.  The prayer of the righteous availeth much.  Always surround yourself with good people - it is your best defense as you work as Enoch of old to be a leaven within your people and to bring them to an elevated state of being - and thus avoid the coming consequences of sin as the people of Noah's day experienced after the righteous were removed from the path of destruction

Here is the body of text of the "farm" dream - and please ask yourself if this was something random, or whether there was deeper meaning here. The answer is obvious to me:

"I was back in Kirtland, Ohio, and thought I would take a walk out by myself, and view my old farm, which I found grown up with weeds and brambles, and altogether bearing evidence of neglect and want of culture. I went into the barn, which I found without floor or doors, with the weather-boarding off, and was altogether in keeping with the farm.

"While I viewed the desolation around me, and was contemplating how it might be recovered from the curse upon it, there came rushing into the barn a company of furious men, who commenced to pick a quarrel with me.
"The leader of the party ordered me to leave the barn and farm, stating it was none of mine, and that I must give up all hope of ever possessing it.
"I told him the farm was given me by the Church, and although I had not had any use of it for some time back, still I had not sold it, and according to righteous principles it belonged to me or the Church.

"He then grew furious and began to rail upon me, and threaten me, and said it never did belong to me nor to the Church.

"I then told him that I did not think it worth contending about, that I had no desire to live upon it in its present state, and if he thought he had a better right I would not quarrel with him about it but leave; but my assurance that I would not trouble him at present did not seem to satisfy him, as he seemed determined to quarrel with me, and threatened me with the destruction of my body.

"While he was thus engaged, pouring out his bitter words upon me, a rabble rushed in and nearly filled the barn, drew out their knives, and began to quarrel among themselves for the premises, and for a moment forgot me, at which time I took the opportunity to walk out of the barn about up to my ankles in mud.

"When I was a little distance from the barn, I heard them screeching and screaming in a very distressed manner, as it appeared they had engaged in a general fight with their knives. While they were thus engaged, the dream or vision ended." (Recorded 27 June 1844)

Sunday, September 23, 2012


In the previous post, I mentioned about the "chariots" not working.  I expect some limited form of nuclear event and most probably an EMP which will bring America to her knees.  Many people will be stuck where they are at with no way to get around.  Thus the innumerable statements to the effect that people will be going from place to place on foot.  Part of that will be that commerce will largely cease - which is why we must have every needful thing in place at this juncture.

Oddly, those that will be able to get around are those with older cars and those who are able to repair those cars to the point they can function in the new paradigm.  There is a sifter right there.  Some people who, by circumstance, have an older car will be able to get from place to place.  The "proud" and "haughty" folks who always have to have the latest and greatest (but have no money, time or patience to prepare every needful thing) will have no means to get about and out to save themselves from what is coming.

One of the things I am making certain I have is a cheap, reliable way to get about without using too much fuel.  I have settled on a TW200 motorbike which is an enduro (rated for on-road and off-road), can carry two people and plenty of gear on front and back racks and (the older ones) have both a starter and a kick start to get you out of those tough situations.  The few (non-EMP resistant) electrical components they have can be purchases for under $50 and stored on the bike.  The range is about 80 miles on one gallon of gas with an augmented range of up to around 300 miles on one tank using a larger Clarke aftermarket tank.

I am mocked in some circles at work for even caring about this kind of thing - very respected in others.   Thankfully, I am in a ward now where this kind of thinking is actually mainstream - and am no longer mocked by those who I have to say were wicked people - even though my old ward was a nice place in many respects.  Those who mock will mourn as their hope fades as the hoar-frost on a sunny morning when things come about suddenly.  They will be fast - our demise will happen in one day.  It will take longer than that for the effects to decimate our people, but the trap will be sprung in one day.  Dreams such as the one shared with me back up my belief that this will be the case.  Many will run to and fro not knowing what to do - but it will be too late.  Both Sarah Menet and Iohanni Wolfgramm indicate that there will be nuclear and it appears that it will be in conjunction with a biologic attack of some sort.  If you do not have a solid source of food and water in your home, you may not be able to get it as there will be quarantines in place - and no movement from location to location will be allowed.  That is the only way to contain and control such a thing.  Often times, violation of very strict protocols will get you shot since incarceration will only spread the virus or plague.  Going out to forage or shop for what is needed will not be possible.  Going out to pick up food at some central government distribution point will not be possible due to potential spread of contagion. 

If it were not for the above scenario, there would be millions of unprepared people who would over-run those who were diligent.  Remember that the Lord "shut up the ark" - so that it could not be over-run by those who discovered too late the awful state of their situation.  As people are gathered to safe places  (within reasonable walking distances if they have not prepared a means of transport for their families), after the initial plague(s) have past, the people that remain will go through a cycle of deprivation/depradation until they have killed each other off.  According to the visions I have recorded on this blog, there will be unspeakable act committed by people in larger cities and in areas where the people are not prepared.  I have noted in earlier pieces that males will inordinately be affected.  My assumption is that what the Chinese biological labs have prepared is targeted specifically at the males (the net has been completely scrubbed on the original data I saw around 8 years ago).  After the initial biologic phase and all hosts that it was effective against are dead, those who remain will have to repel the physical invasion by that mass on the West Coast.  That will further reduce the numbers of males.  It will not be a pretty sight!

Saturday, September 22, 2012


Recently, I received some correspondence about a dream that was given in confidence.  I am not sure why I do not see these things in dream or vision, but I am a consummate worrier and seeing stuff like that would probably kill me - literally so I get things in the form of impressions and confirmations; a much more palatable format for a guy whose heart might literally fail him.   I am not at liberty to share this dream but I would like to share some thoughts and generalities about what I have learned in the information that has been compiled on this blog:

I believe that our chariots (other than those that are hardened against EMP will not function at some point).  I have made recommendations that an early Dodge pickup (1997, or earlier would be more effective against this problem).  I have just recently gone and found the wiring diagrams for that particular truck and found that it will not function due to many shortcomings that the pre-1994 Dodge Cummins trucks did not have.  I am taking the next few months and a few hundred more dollars and closing those loopholes with spare used parts.  If there is enough interest, I would be willing to do a piece on that if you have a pre-'98 Dodge Cummins diesel with 5 speed transmission.  There is alot of detail to it, but it may be useful.

According to Sarah Menet (earlier blog piece), there will be an Iranian missile launched out of  Libya towards Israel.  After this, there will be limited nuclear exchanges from the major powers probably due to the confusion.  I am aware of the Ogden area getting hit and several places on the coastline which will soften certain places up for land invasions by Chinese and Russian and others from the south.  Iohanni Wolfgramm also confirmed this - and I give his testimony 100% confidence for reasons outlined in earlier posts.  No doubt, they already have the plans drawn up for this invasion.  They are just waiting for the opportune time to strike.  If you are in those areas, you will have to deal with those problems.

I have lurked on AVOW years back, and do not doubt that there will be places of refuge and I have shared what I know on this blog.  You will need to pray to know yours.  I would be away from the main body of the Saints.  A terrible thing is coming to Utah, etc where the highest concentration of Saints are - followed by that area becoming a safe area - after the purging is complete and the righteous Saints get a handle on it; probably by use of yarrow and other natural remedies.

There will be chaos and devastation on this continent due to a spoiled, angry people not having what they are used to, as well as a massive famine which will end up in a massive die-off of the people.  It is my speculation that there will be some sort of blame for what went wrong on the sitting president - and the LDS, by association, will be blamed for it and driven about.  Also, people will have made the erroneous assumption that we have food on hand - only about 10% do, and that will create a frenzy as hungry people begin to amass before the  die-off begins in earnest.  Have several temporary places where you can melt away to if things become difficult.

When things appear the worst, there will be divine assistance and the remaining wicked who oppose those who have made it through the furnace of affliction will be wiped from off the face of the land.  This in order that the way will be prepared for many to return and help the righteous Lamanites build up the New Jerusalem when they come with their treasures they have hidden up for the Lord for the last 700 years and beyond.  The Ten Tribes will return around that time with their treasures for the temple (I still have to do a blog piece on this as there is an astounding amount of info out there about the treasures that have been hid up to the Lord that will come forward, and many Lamanites primed and ready to go in that effort) - and any who oppose them will simply be crushed in any attempt being made.  Many Gentiles will think they are some sort of invasion of "aliens" and will try and oppose them - the people have been craftily manipulated by the mass media to have this form of thinking instead of welcoming our long-lost brothers.  The return will be so amazing, it will be the only matter of conversation.

Backing up a little, there will be massive geological event which may be related to this orb coming in which will cause the seas to heave beyond their bounds along with massive EQs.  It will be so massive, many on both coasts will not survive - let alone the staggering problems caused by the effects.  Picture Katrina and Andrew times a factor of 1000's.  Both events nearly brought our ability to respond to a grinding halt.  In a magnified scenario, there would be no help - people would have to rely on the "oil in their trimmed lamps" - spiritual and temporal, in order to get by.  When the crud hits the oscillator, there will be no opportunities to go back for a second chance.  It is for this very reason that the Lord has always sought (except in the Millennium) to locate the chosen peoples above 3000' elevation.

That is all I have for now - may we all qualify, then pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit in our quest to find what is right for our individual circumstances.


This is from a comment from a gal who has moved to Montana and will end up right in the path of the 10 tribes as they come south.  She is creating a Zion home and is a mid-wife and herbalist.  One of  many we have bumped into over here who have simply ended up in this area - for exact reasons I never did discover up to this point.  Maybe she will share those reasons at some point and allow me to put them on the blog.

Here is what she had to say about wheatgrass:

A couple of things about wheatgrass: 1.) There is an account in the Bible about Nebadchanezzer going mad and then being healed by eating just grass. 2.) The chemical composition of wheatgrass juice is exactly the same as human blood, only the center molecule in wheatgrass is magnesium and in blood it's iron. 3.) The ancient Chinese symbol for wheat is of two people, facing each other at an alter with their arms raised. 4.) Best sources for info on growing/living/eating wheatgrass have their roots in Ann Wigmore. Steve Meyerowitz is one. The Creative Health Institute in Hodunk, MI is another. 5.) The Word of Wisdom never specifically said BREAD. It said WHEAT.


We all know the Nephites (nefilim = large ones) and the Jaredites (and many other ancient races) were large and tall peoples.  Other than the classic tale of David and Goliath we all were taught as children in SS, I had no exposure to giants.  Then I read Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith and it opened my mind to many other amazing stories and insights to the people who lived here, including Zelph on Zion's March.  I also heard the accounts of the Logan Temple President having help from very large hulking Nephite warriors who were sent to keep the Federal Marshals out of the marriage records before polygamy was abandoned.  Oh, how I wish we had not done so - for that is around the time that most of our revelatory prowess disappeared.  It faded with the death of those who lived that difficult principle and we have lost much of our charity and our refinement as a people.  Same goes for the Law of Consecration in the form of the United Order.  Before that, the miracles were had in abundance and had "not ceased" largely among us.  We have paid a terrible price for our rejection of higher law of consecration.  We still profess it, but do not practice what we are preaching.

So, we have many fascinating historical points that talk of these large peoples.  Here is a list of skeletal finds in North America which backs these details up:

Giant Skeletons:

In his book, The Natural and Aboriginal History of Tennessee, author John Haywood describes "very large" bones in stone graves found in Williamson County, Tennessee, in 1821. In White County, Tennessee, an "ancient fortification" contained skeletons of gigantic stature averaging at least 7 feet in length.

Giant skeletons were found in the mid-1800s near Rutland and Rodman, New York. J.N. DeHart, M.D. found vertebrae "larger than those of the present type" in Wisconsin mounds in 1876. W.H.R. Lykins uncovered skull bones "of great size and thickness" in mounds of Kansas City area in 1877.

George W. Hill, M.D., dug out a skeleton "of unusual size" in a mound of Ashland County, Ohio. In 1879, a nine-foot, eight-inch skeleton was
excavated from a mound near Brewersville, Indiana (Indianapolis News, Nov 10, 1975).

A six foot, six inch skeleton was found in a Utah mound. This was at least a foot taller than the average Indian height in the area, and these natives- what few there were of them -were not mound builders.

"A skeleton which is reported to have been of enormous dimensions" was found in a clay coffin, with a sandstone slab containing hieroglyphics, during mound explorations by a Dr Everhart near Zanesville, Ohio. (American Antiquarian, v3, 1880, pg61).

Ten skeletons "of both sexes and of gigantic size" were taken from a mound at Warren, Minnesota, 1883. (St. Paul Pioneer Press, May 23, 1883) A skeleton 7 feet 6 inches long was found in a massive stone structure that was likened to a temple chamber within a mound in Kanawha County, West Virginia, in 1884. (American Antiquarian, v6, 1884 133f. Cyrus Thomas, Report on Mound Explorations of the Bureau of Ethnology, 12th Annual Report, Smithsonian Bureau of Ethnology, 1890-91).

A large mound near Gasterville, Pennsylvania, contained a vault in which was found a skeleton measuring 7 feet 2 inches. Inscriptions were carved on the vault. (American Antiquarian, v7, 1885, 52f).

In 1885, miners discovered the mummified remains of woman measuring 6 feet 8 inches tall holding an infant. The mummies were found in a cave behind a wall of rock in the Yosemite Valley.

In Minnesota, 1888, were discovered remains of seven skeletons 7 to 8 feet tall. (St. Paul Pioneer Press, June 29, 188 .

A mound near Toledo, Ohio, held 20 skeletons, seated and facing east with jaws and teeth "twice as large as those of present day people," and besides each was a large bowl with "curiously wrought hieroglyphic figures." (Chicago Record, Oct. 24, 1895; cited by Ron G. Dobbins, NEARA Journal, v13, fall 197 .

The skeleton of a huge man was uncovered at the Beckley farm, Lake Koronis, Minnesota; while at Moose Island and Pine City, bones of other giants came to light. (St. Paul Globe, Aug. 12, 1896).

In 1911, several red-haired mummies ranging from 6 and a half feet to 8 feet tall were discovered in a cave in Lovelock, Nevada. In February and June of 1931, large skeletons were found in the Humboldt lake bed near Lovelock, Nevada. The first of these two skeletons found
measured 8 1/2 feet tall and appeared to have been wrapped in a gum-covered fabric similiar to the Egyptian manner. The second skeleton was almost 10 feet long. (Review - Miner, June 19, 1931).

A 7 foot 7 inch skeleton was reported to have been found on the Friedman ranch, near Lovelock, Nevada, in 1939.(Review - Miner, Sept. 29, 1939) In 1965, a skeleton measuring 8 feet 9 inches was found buried under a rock ledge along the Holly Creek in east-central Kentucky.


There was a race or group of people found in Australia called "meganthropus" by anthropologists. These people were of very large size--estimated between 7 to 12 feet tall, depending on what source you read. These people were found with mega tool artifacts, so their humaness is difficult to question. Four jaw fragments and thousands of teeth have been found in China of "gigantopithecus blacki"--named after the discover. Based on the size of the teeth and deep jaws, its size has been estimated at around 10 feet and as tall as 12 feet, 1200 pounds.


In old river gravels near Bathurst, NSW, huge stone artifacts -- clubs,
pounders, adzes, chisels, knives and hand axes -- all of tremendous weight, lie scattered over a wide area. These weigh anything from 8, 10, 15, to 21 and 25 pounds, implements which only men of tremendous proportions could possibly have made and used. Estimates for the actual size of these men range from 10 to 12 feet tall and over, weighing from 500 to 600 lbs. A fossicker searching the Winburndale River north of Bathurst discovered a large quartzitised fossil human molar tooth, far too big for any normal modern man. A similar find was made near Dubbo, N.S.W.

Prospectors working in the Bathurst district in the 1930's frequently
reported coming across numerous large human footprints fossilised in shoals of red jasper.

Even more impressive were fossil deposits found by naturalist Rex Gilroy around Bathurst. He excavated from a depth of 6 feet (2 m) below the surface a fossil lower back molar tooth measuring 67 mm. in length by 50mm. x 42 mm. across the crown. If his measurements are correct, the owner would have been at least 25 ft. tall, weighing well over 1,000 lbs!

At Gympie, Queensland, a farmer, Keith Walker, was ploughing his field when he turned up the large fragment of the back portion of a jaw which still possessed the hollow for a missing lower back molar tooth. This is now in Rex GiIroy's possession. The owner of the tooth would have stood at 10 feet tall.

In the Megalong Valley in the Blue Mountains NSW, a Mr P. Holman found in ironstone protruding from a creek bank the deeply impressed print of a large human-like foot. The print was that of the instep, with all 5 toes clearly shown. This footprint measures 7 inches across the toes. Had the footprint been complete it would have been at least 2 feet (60 cm in length, appropriate to a 12 foot human. However, the largest footprint found on the Blue Mountains must have belonged to a man 20 feet tall!

A set of 3 huge footprints was discovered near Mulgoa, south of Penrith, N.S.W. These prints, each measuring 2 ft long and 7 inches across the toes, are 6 ft. apart, indicating the stride of the 12 ft. giant who left them. These prints were preserved by volcanic lava and ash flows which "occurred millions of years" before man is supposed to have appeared on the Australian continent (if one is to believe the evolutionary theory): Noel Reeves found monstrous footprints near Kempsey, N.S.W. in sandstone beds on the Upper Macleay River. One print shows toe 4 inches (10cm) long and the total toe-span is 10 inches (25cm) - suggesting that the owner of the print may have been 17 feet tall.

It is certain the Aborigines were not the first to reach Australia.
Anthropologists maintain mainland Aborigines are in fact quite recent
arrivals that ate their predecessors who were akin to the New Guinea natives. Aborigine themselves admit in their ancient folklore that this land was inhabited by several groups of men, as well as giants, before they settled here.


In an old book entitled "History And Antiquities Of Allerdale," there is an account of a giant found in Cumberland, England, at an unknown date in the middle ages. Called "A True Report of Hugh Hodson, of Thorneway," it states: "The said gyant was buried four yards deep in the ground, which is now a corn field. He was four yards and a half long, and was in complete armor; his sword and battle-axe lying by him....his teeth were six inches long, and two inches broad...." The bones of a twelve foot tall man were dug up in 1833 by a group of soldiers at Lompock Rancho, California. The skeleton was
surrounded by giant weapons, and the skull featured a double row of teeth. Yet another giant was unearthed in 1891, when workmen in Crittenden, Arizona excavated a huge stone coffin that had evidently once held the body of a man 12 feet tall. A carving on the granite case indicated that he had six toes.

A living giant was sighted in the little village of Buffalo Mills,
Pennsylvania, on August 19, 1973. A man at least nine feet tall strode down the main street of the village, dressed in strange clothing, which appeared to be made of some sort of shimmering material. He gazed at the startled townspeople in a dark, penetrating way and then loped off casually into oblivion.


In July, 1877, four prospectors were looking for gold and silver
outcroppings in a desolate, hilly area near the head of Spring Valley, not far from Eureka, Nevada.

Scanning the rocks, one of the men spotted something peculiar projecting from a high ledge. Climbing up to get a better look, the prospector was surprised to find a human leg bone and knee cap sticking out of solid rock. He called to his companions, and together they dislodged the oddity with picks. Realizing they had a most unusual find, the men brought it into Eureka, where it was placed on display.

The stone in which the bones were embedded was a hard, dark red quartzite, and the bones themselves were almost black with carbonization - indicative of great age. When the surrounding stone was carefully chipped away, the specimen was found to be composed of a leg bone broken off four inches above the knee, the knee cap and joint, the lower leg bones, and the complete bones of the foot. Several medical doctors examined the remains, and were
convinced that anatomically they had indeed once belonged to a human being, and a very modern-looking one.

But an intriguing aspect of the bones was their size: from knee to heel they measured 39 inches. Their owner in life had thus stood over 12 feet tall. Compounding the mystery further was the fact that the rock in which the bones were found was dated geologically to the era of the dinosaurs, the Jurassic - over 185 million years old. The local papers ran several stories on the marvelous find, and two museums sent investigators to see if any more of the skeleton could be located. Unfortunately, nothing else but the leg and foot existed in the rock." Strange Relics from the Depths of the Earth--Jochmans


In 1936 Larson Kohl, the German paleontologist and anthropologist, found the bones of gigantic men on the shore of Lake Elyasi in Central Africa. Other giant skeletons were later found in Hava, the Transvaal and China. The evidence for the existence of giants is incontrovertible. "A scientifically assured fact," says Dr. Louis Burkhalter.

1. Large bones in stone graves in Williamson County and White County, Tennessee. Discovered in the early 1800s, the average stature of these giants was 7 feet tall.
2. Giant skeletons found in the mid-1800s in New York state near Rutland and Rodman.
3. In 1833, soldiers digging at Lompock Rancho, California, discovered a male skeleton 12 feet tall. The skeleton was surrounded by caved shells, stone axes, other artifacts. The skeleton had double rows of upper and lower teeth. Unfortunately, this body was secretly buried because the local Indians became upset about the remains.
4. A giant skull and vertebrae found in Wisconsin and Kansas City.
5. A giant found off the California Coast on Santa Rosa Island in the 1800s was distinguished by its double rows of teeth.
6. A 9-foot, 8-inch skeleton was excavated from a mount near Brewersville, Indiana, in 1879.
7. Skeletons of "enormous dimensions" were found in mounds near Zanesville, Ohio, and Warren, Minnesota, in the 1880s.
8. In Clearwater Minnesota, the skeletons of seven giants were found in mounds. These had receding foreheads and complete double dentition.
9. At Le Crescent, Wisconsin, mounds were found to contain giant bones. Five miles north near Dresbach, the bones of people over 8 feet tall were found.
10. In 1888 seven skeletons ranging from seven to 8 feet tall were
11. Near Toledo, Ohio, 20 skeletons were discovered with jaws and teeth "twice as large as those of present day people." The account also noted that odd hieroglyphics were found with the bodies.
12. Miners in Lovelock Cave, California, discovered a very tall, red-haired mummy In 1911
13. This mummy eventually went to a fraternal lodge where it was used for "initiation purposes."
14. In 1931, skeletons from 8 to 10 feet long were found in the Humbolt lake bed in California.
15. In 1932, Ellis Wright found human tracks in the gypsum rock at White Sands, New Mexico. His discovery was later backed up by Fred Arthur, Supervisor of the Lincoln National Park and others who reported that each footprint was 22 inches long and from 8 to 10 inches wide. They were certain the prints were human in origin due to the outline of the perfect prints coupled with a readily apparent instep.
16. During World War II, author Ivan T. Sanderson tells of how his crew was bulldozing through sedimentary rock when it stumbled upon what appeared to be a graveyard. In it were crania that measured from 22 to 24 inches from base to crown nearly three times as large as an adult human skull. Had the creatures to whom these skulls belonged been properly proportioned, they undoubtedly would have been at least 12 feet tall or taller.
17. In 1947 a local newspaper reported the discovery of nine-foot-tall
skeletons by amateur archeologists working in Death Valley.
18. The archeologists involved also claimed to have found what appeared to be the bones of tigers and dinosaurs with the human remains.
19. The Catalina Islands, off California, are the home of dwarf mammoth bones that were once roasted in ancient fire pits. These were roasted and eaten by human-like creatures who were giants with double rows of teeth.


Kossuth: October was a month of some excitement in scientific circles as seven strange and gigantic mummies were discovered just outside of Kossuth Center. Marvin Rainwater, a local farmer, had been digging a new well on his property and struck a deposit of very hard stone about nine feet below the topsoil. In attempting to dig it out, he found that it was more than four feet wide in every direction. Removing it would be a terrific chore. He considered the possibility that this was a layer of bedrock, but that would certainly be odd that close to the surface. Further, being somewhat familiar with geologic deposits, he knew that the stone was not the familiar limestone for which such Eastern Iowa areas like Stone City are famous. This
was something else entirely. Upon close inspection Rainwater also saw that the stone was not as rough as might be expected in a natural formation, but was in fact smooth and polished. Now very curious as to the nature of the find, he called several friends from surrounding farms and they began an excavation. They discovered that it was not a single stone, but rather one of at least several irregularly cut slabs stretching out over a wide area, yet fitted so tightly together that not even a knife blade could be put between them. Each slab measured roughly 8'x10', and when struck with a
sledge seemed to ring with a hollowness that might indicate this was not a floor but the outside portion of a ceiling. Rainwater wondered if he had not stumbled upon some sort of buried stone structure on his property. Believing that there might be a way to parlay living other than farming if he played his cards right, Mr. Rainwater contacted Georg Von Podebrad College, who in turn dispatched a team of archeologists, anthropologists, and geologists to the site. The researchers were delighted with the anomalies presented them.
Firstly, the stone was not at all native to Iowa, but was in fact basalt-a
hard, dense volcanic rock composed of plagioclase, augite, and magnetite. The type of stone used by the Egyptians to build their massive monuments. The depth of the slabs indicated that they had been there for a very long time, predating the advent of the kind of modern transportation and heavy machinery needed to bring such a large quantity of foreign stone to Iowa, and quite probably the slabs had been laid down before the last glacial age.

It is impossible to gauge with any certainty just how long they had been there. After the soil covering the slabs had been entirely removed, the area covered by the stones was a perfect square measuring 188 feet on each side. Digging around the perimeter revealed that Rainwater had been correct, the structure did go deeper into the ground. The cyclopean structure was revealed to be a pyramid similar in shape to one located at Marietta, Ohio, although those mounds and monuments erected by the prehistoric Indians were made of sun dried brick mixed with rushes. This technique, too, is curiously similar to the Egyptian technique of brick making with straw and mud. It took many months, but the entire structure was finally exposed, and on the eastern side was found a massive filled in archway with strong resemblance to those of ancient Greece. At the bottom of the arch was a smaller arch, measuring only 6' to the capstone. This too had been filled in and blocked off. With genuine awe and some hesitancy the scientists of the Rainwater
Site began the work of opening the smaller entryway, wondering what light from the first torch penetrated the gloom of the ancient structure, Albert Grosslockner gasped at what he thought were seven huge and exquisitely detailed statues seated in a ring around a very large and deep fire pit. Moving closer, he realized that the figures were not carved of stone, but were in fact the mummified remains of some giant humanoid race.

Could what they found be in fact a prehistoric burial vault for some pre-human creatures or was it a prison designed to hold some freakish aberration of nature? The figures, were each fully ten feet tall even when measured seated in their cross-legged positions. They all faced into the circle with arms folded across their legs. Upon close examination it was seen that they had double rows of teeth in their upper and lower jaws. The foreheads were unusually low and sloping, with exceedingly prominent brows. The skin of the
mysterious giants was wrinkled and tough, as though tanned, and the hair of each of them was distinctly red in color. Their faces, still very expressive even in death, taunted the scientists with their silence. Who, or what, were these creatures, how had they come to be locked in this stone room, and where had the stone itself come from originally? After careful excavation of the site, the bodies were removed for x-ray and autopsy examination. The excitement over the find was far in excess of the "Gypsum Man" find in Iowa so many years before-a hoax from which the Putnam Museum of Davenport had never fully recovered from. These giants were very real. The medical examinations demonstrated that there was definite skeletal structure, that they were organic creatures who had once been very much alive.

One explanation for the mummies might lie in the legends of the Paiute Indians who tell of a race of red-haired giants who were their mortal enemies centuries ago. They were called the Si-Te-Cahs, driven from Nevada by a previously unheard of alliance of tribes. Did the Si-Te-Cahs retreat from the west to Iowa? Was the stone structure here before and simply co-opted by the giants? No one may ever know, however it is interesting to note that among the Indian relics held in the Kossuth County chapter of the State Historical Society are three robes made entirely from very long strands of red hair. We await DNA comparisons of samples taken from the mummies and the
robes to determine a connection. In the mean-time, Marvin Rainwater has had his farm purchased by interested parties in Hopkins Grove for an undisclosed sum, and is quite happily no longer toiling in his fields or digging wells.


Ivan T. Sanderson, a well-known zoologist and frequent guest on Johnny Carson's TONIGHT SHOW in the 1960s (usually with an exotic animal with a pangolin or a lemur), once related a curious story about a letter he received regarding an engineer who was stationed on the Aleutian island of Shemya during World War II. While building an airstrip, his crew bulldozed a group of hills and discovered under several sedimentary layers what appeared to be human remains. The Alaskan mound was in fact a graveyard of gigantic human remains, consisting of crania and long leg bones. The crania measured
from 22 to 24 inches from base to crown. Since an adult skull normally measures about eight inches from back to front, such a large crania would imply an immense size for a normally proportioned human. Furthermore, every skull was said to have been neatly trepanned (a process of cutting a hole in the upper portion of the skull).

In fact, the habit of flattening the skull of an infant and forcing it to
grow in an elongated shape was a practice used by ancient Peruvians, the Mayas, and the Flathead Indians of Montana. Sanderson tried to gather further proof, eventually receiving a letter from another member of the unit who confirmed the report. The letters both indicated that the Smithsonian Institution had collected the remains, yet nothing else was heard. Sanderson seemed convinced that the Smithsonian Institution had received the bizarre
relics, but wondered why they would not release the data. He asks, "" it that these people cannot face rewriting all the textbooks?""


In South Africa, a giant footprint of a woman measuring over 4 feet long has been carbon dated at approximately 9 million years old. Pointing to the probability of this being a female human-like species' foot, proportionally the two-legged being would need to be some 30 feet tall! The local African people commonly refer to this as a highly revered and sacred site. Giants, twice the size of gorillas, were found in Java.

The petrified remains of a giant were found in South Africa. A well-known anthropologist declared that these remains showed that these man's ancestors must have been giants.


Within an ancient burial mound near the town of Sayre in Bradford County, Pennsylvania, skeletons measuring approximately 7 feet in length were discovered in the 1800s. But the most remarkable feature of these tall skeletons was not their height, but the strange horn-like protrusions above the brow region on their skulls. It was estimated that they were buried around 1200 AD. According to some sources, the skeletons were sent to the "American Investigating Museum" in Philadelphia, and vanished.


In Lampec-Rancho California, in 1833, soldiers discovered a skeleton 11' 9'' long which was covered with boulders with an unidentified writing. A similar writing was unearthed on the isle of Santa Maria off the cost of Los Angeles. In July of 1887 in Eureka Nevada, a human leg was found measuring 38.9 inches form the knee to the heel. The man was over 11 foot tall. In Crittenton Arizona in 1891 a sarcophagus was uncovered containing a human 3 meters high and had 12 toes. More recently skeletons ranging from 2.8 meters to 3.12 meters were found by soviets in the Caucasus Mountains. In China
skeletons 10 feet tall have been found. In the Philippines a giant human skeleton was found at gargation, Measuring 17 feet long. In the Eagle three Cole mine at Bear Creek Montana in 1920 two human molars were found three times larger than normal. In Braton Tennessee human footprints were found in solid rock 33 inches log and one foot wide. These also have six toes each.

Tools found in Morocco are so large their users must have been at least 12 foot tall. Other Giants found around the world are: the Java giant, the south China giant, and the South Africa giant. (See The Timeless Earth p. 26)

In 1833,soldiers digging a pit for a powder magazine at Lompock
Rancho, California, hacked their way through a layer of cemented gravel and came up with the skeleton of a giant man about twelve feet tall. The skeleton was surrounded by carved shells, huge stone axes, and blocks of porphyry covered with unintelligible symbols. The giant was also noteworthy in still another respect :He had a double row of teeth, both upper and lower. When the natives began to attach some religious significance to the find, authorities ordered the skeleton and all the artifacts secretly reburied- and, of course, lost to the scientific study they deserved.

This particular giant, incidentally, bore marked similarity to another, that of a giant man with double rows of teeth whose skeletal remains were dug up on Santa Rosa Island, off the California coast. Subsequent research has shown that he, or his descendants, feasted on the small elephants which once lived on that island and which have vanished like the giants who ate them, countless ages ago.

Near Crittenden, Arizona, in 1891, workmen excavating for a commercial building came upon a huge stone sarcophagus eight feet below the surface. The contractor called in expert help, and the sarcophagus was opened to reveal a granite mummy case which had once held the body of a human being more than twelve feet tall -a human with six toes, according to the carving of the case. But the body had been buried so many thousands of years that it had
long since turned to dust. Just another silent witness to the truth of
Genesis, which tells us that there were giants in the earth in those
days, the excavation of over a dozen skeletons 8 to 12 feet tall, around the world, shocked archeologists.

These skeletons were positively human. Some of these skeletal remains are on Maui in lava caves near Ulupalakua and Olowalu. An example of this is the "mysterious" disappearance of more than 50 perfectly kept gigantic antediluvian skeletons (between 10-14 feet tall) found in a cave in Arizona.

Earth Giants : over the years a number of gigantic human skeletons have been unearthed. The most distinctive of these were the remains of some American giants found in the 1880s at Tioga Point, near Sayre in Bradford County, Pennsylvania, as recounted by Robert Lyman in Forbidden Land. Some other examples include the following:

A decayed human skeleton claimed by eyewitnesses to measure around 3.28 metres (10 feet 9 inches tall), was unearthed by labourers while ploughing a vineyard in November 1856 in East Wheeling, now in West Virginia.

A human skeleton measuring 3.6 metres (12 foot) tall was unearthed at Lompock Rancho, California, in 1833 by soldiers digging in a pit for a powder magazine. The specimen had a double row of teeth and was surrounded by numerous stone axes, carved shells and porphyry blocks with abstruse symbols associated with it.

Several mummified remains of red haired humans ranging from 2-2.5 metres (6.5 feet to over 8 feet) tall were dug up at Lovelock Cave, (70 miles) north-east of Reno, Nevada, by a guano mining operation. These bones substantiated legends by the local Piute Indians regarding giants which they called Si-Te-Cahs. For some reason scientists did not seem to want to investigate these finds further so many of the bones were lost. Fortunately one of the giant Lovelock skulls is still preserved today. It measures almost 30cm (1 foot) tall and resides along with other various Lovelock artifacts in the Humboldt Museum in Winnemucca, Nevada. Some of these artifacts can also be found in the Nevada State Historical Society's museum at Reno.


In this magazine for September, 1923, we mentioned a reported discovery by Mr. Samuel Hubbard, of remains of giants in the Grand Canyon of Arizona. Owing to press unreliability, we did not notice this to a great extent. We have now, however, obtained more knowledge on the subject, and there remains no doubt that Mr. Hubbard has actually made a discovery composed of the following parts:

(a) Petrified bodies of two human beings about 18 and 15 feet in height respectively. One of these is buried under a recent rock fall which would require several days' work to remove; the other, of which Mr. Hubbard took photographs, is in a crevice of difficult accessibility. The bodies are formed of a limestone petrification embedded in sandstone.

(b) An ancient beach, now sandstone, containing a great number of footprints of a giant race, men, women and children; the prints of adults about 17 to 20 inches in length, and corresponding in size and shape to the Carson City and Blue Ridge prints.


According to a press clipping, dated Nayarit, Mexico, May 14, 1926, Capts. D. W. Page and F. W. Devalda discovered the bones of a race of giants who averaged over ten feet in height. Local legends state that they came from Ecuador. Nothing more has been heard of this, but that is not surprising; the word "giant" will flutter the feathers of any scientist into rapid flight, metaphorically speaking, in the opposite direction. So also with a report from the Washington Post, June 22, 1925, and the New York Herald-Tribune, June 21, 1925. A mining party, it is reported, found skeletons measuring 10 to 12 feet, with feet 18 to 20 inches long, near Sisoguiche, Mexico. The Los Angeles Times, October 2, 1927, says that explorers in Mexico located large human bones near Tapextla, indicating a race of "gigantic size." All this, if unfounded, would be straining
coincidence or imagination pretty far.

Press accounts say that the skeleton of a gigantic man, with head missing, has been unearthed at El Boquin, on the Mico River, in the Chontales district. The ribs are a yard long and four inches wide and the shin bone is too heavy for one man to carry. "Chontales" is an Indian word, meaning "wild men."

In the late 1950's during road construction in Homs southeast Turkey, many tombs of Giants were indeed unearthed. These tombs were 4 meters long, and when entered in 2 cases the human thigh bones were measured to be 47.24 inches in length. They calculated that the person who owned this Femur probably stood at fourteen to sixteen feet tall. A cast of this bone is seen at the Creationist museum in Texas.

Flavius Josephus, the noted Jewish historian of the first century A.D.,
described the giants as having "bodies so large and countenances so entirely different from other men that they were surprising to the sight and terrible to the hearing." And he adds that in his day, the bones of the giants were still on display!


Wow, and I thought all this stuff was confined to the midwest.....

"Deseret News-Oct. 5, 1876...From brother Amasa Potter, of Payson: In connection with my report of last summer, I send you a few facts that we have developed concerning the excavationing of the ancient mounds in the Payson farming feild. We have become convinced that it must have been a race of people that were more enlightened in the arts of sciences of civilization than the present race of indians which we find inhabiting North America. We found in one deposit a comb that had been used for combing the hair, and also a spoon, in good shape, made of stone; also a set of marbles, just such as are made now-a-days. We found moulds made of clay, just such as are used in the foundries at the present day. They are of different shape for moulding various kinds of iron implements, but there is no kind of iron to be found now, but there are spots of rust where it has decayed. We found some pieces of cedar wood, that had not all decayed. The heart was left yet, and it shows that the people had edge tools, because the wood was cut smooth."

"L.D.S. Millennial Star, May 9, 1871...A curious relic of the past had been ploughed up near the mounds in the vicinity of Spanish Fork. It is a piece of metal, seemingly copper, about one and 3/4 by one and 3/8 inches, on one side of which is engraved the figure of a man in priestly robes, with a censer in his hand; an alter on which the fire is kindled; a tree, probably emblematical of the tree of life, and above the tree a representation of the sun. When found the metal was encrusted with rust, but this was carefully removed, and the engraving remains clear and distinct as if recently done."

My question is what happened to these relic's? Were all these mounds destroyed? Why didn't those early pioneers preserve these structures? And, who were the builders of these mounds?

Friday, September 21, 2012


Okay, I am starting to dig to see what's out there on Chicken Hill in North Dakota (per previous info found on the proposed route that the 10 tribes will take after our planet is rocked and the orb they are on does a docking procedure as it comes in from the southerly trajectory it is on and settles on our northern pole; see many previous posts on this fact in my mind).

Nada so far except that the local tribes used it as a spot where they gathered (multi-tribe) for a 5 day long celebration (pow-wow) on the 4th of July in the early 1900's.  It is indeed a sacred site to those Indians just as the hill at Manti was for the Paiutes (as outlined below).  There is something interesting on Moroni and the temple hill in Manti:

Here is some more info I have dug up on Temple Hill:

Per Journal of Isaac Morley: ( not a direct source
"the very hill where the Nephites had sacrificed Nehor on the sacrificial altar for the sake of the preservation of the ancient church. Here once an ancient temple stood, and here one day again would stand another in these last days...This was, even as Chief Joseph Walker (Chief Wakara) said, a sacred hill, and so I called the place Manti, even as it was called in days gone by."

Per Official Manti Temple Website: (
"On the morning of the site dedication, Brigham Young confided to Warren S. Snow that Temple Hill was the spot where Book of Mormon Prophet Moroni dedicated the land for a temple site."

Per Dedicatory Prayer by Lorenzo Snow May 21st, 1888: (
"We dedicate the ground and the hill on which it stands, that the same may be holy unto the Lord our God; that its steps, its terraces, its trees and shrubbery, with all its adornments and its approaches may be the pathways of the just to the House of the Lord, the Temple of our God. Let the foundation of this House be made permanent and never be moved from its place. May the stones and the cement of which the buildings is composed become compact and strong as if it were one solid rock."

Per Dr. Karen? : (
"Well, Morley apparently was the only white man who the Ute Indians trusted enough about certain things....and because of this 'special connection' to possible information about things that were (or may be) buried in the Sanpete region of Utah, specically on the mound that Morley called Temple Hill, in Manti.
No sooner had Morley arrived with the other early Mormon settlers with B Young in 1849, than he immediately turned his attention to the mound which came to be known as Temple Hill.
He was so adamant that settlement be made in proximity to that hill that he ended up actually alienating a number of the others, who preferred more convenient places to settle. But Morley, a prominent leader, would have none of it---he absolutely 'refused to compromise' and demanded that this particular hill was "our God-appointed abiding place..."
But, why was this hill so important to him? Chief Walker of the Sanpete Utes had informed him that the "Old Ones" had once erected an altar on the top of the hill, and so this hill was considered sacred to the Utes. In Morley's journals, he mentions having private conversation with Chief Walker about this hill, the tunnels/caverns underneath it, and the surrounding area, but he doesnt' appear to have told anyone else about it. He also chose the location near this hill to start the city of Manti, as he made the connection here between the stone altar and a passage in the Book of Mormon (Alma 1:15) concerning the sacrifice of Nehor on the hill Manti by the Nephites in ancient America. In another journal entry, he adds: "Here once an ancient temple stood..." even though there is no such reference in the Book of Mormon itself.
Chief Walker only mentioned a stone altar to him, but nothing of a temple on the premises. The big looming question here, is: Did Morley have another, secret source? And if so, what was it? Perhaps his 'private' talks with Chief Walker were a starting point, but he also made reference to 'the books' that he consulted with in trying to decipher some of the 'old carvings' on some of the stones.....
He even refers to a 'second temple', which seems to imply that he knew that one, if not two, temples had once stood on or near this hill in ancient times past. From the time of his arrival in the Sanpete Valley in 1849 until he was recalled from his work in 1854, Morley was rather obsessed with searching for something, constantly, in or around Temple Hill. He was apparently quite secretive about it. After he was recalled from his work, he immediately sealed up the entrance so no one would find it again, believing that this was the Lord's wish. Prior to his death in 1865, Morley gave specific instructions to his son, Isaac Morley Jr., that his remains be brought back to Manti and interred at the foot of Temple Hill. He said that this place was a sacred place, "in proximity to the secret of the Lord". No other explanation of exactly what he meant has ever been forthcoming.
He also believed that another temple in the Last Days would stand on this hill again..... Makes one wonder?...!
To top off our 'wild west' saga, this was rather interesting, too:
Pete Neilson, who once rode with Butch Cassidy's Wild Bunch, in his later years wrote a history of his life, an unpubl's manuscript. He became a Temple worker during the last years of his life in Utah, performing ordinances in the Manti Temple. Neilson claimed that the foundation stone which lay beneath the altar of the Temple had been excavated from a cavern which lay directly beneath, and contained ancient inscriptions which, to him, looked like anicent Greek letters.
He claimed that these inscriptions could still be seen by accessing the underside of the altar by going through the Temple basement.... (Of course, this is rather hard to verify today, but certainly is intriguing) No doubt the Mormon historians (at the high level) know far more about all of this..... "
Per Gospel Link: (
A buff-colored stone and oolite limestone obtained from nearby quarries were used in the temple's foundation and walls.

Per John Ramses: ( see also his link to his google map of locations on Temple Hill

"On the hill east of the current Manti Temple (above the old quarry) remains traces of an ancient structure whose stones rival in the size those used in the building of Machu Picchu, Teotihuacan, or Baalbek. Inside the hill there said to be nummerous caves, and indeed, we did locate the concealed entrance of one and a small air shaft about 20 south of it. I've spent a great deal of time on this hill and hiking the surrounding region and talking with locals since I first heard about the Egyptian writing many years ago. The entire hill - prior to much of it being quarried to provide material for the current temple - appears to have been man-made or altered by man in great antiquity. In fact, I believe now that the hill is the burried remains of the actual structure complex. On the east side of the hill is a long wide straight ramp built of piled earth and stone. Atop the hill itself, mostly towards the western end, appear to be the remains of an ancient stone floor. After so many years of investigating this hill I believe the caves there to be chambers and hallways built into the original structure.

While the main structure from anti-delluvian times may have formed the foundation of the current hill with some of the ancient stonework still exposed there are obvious signs that other peoples have built upon it and altered the stones in more recent times. With the quarrying for the current Temple aside, there are, of course, the the chambers whose alluvial deposit were dug out and used for burial chambers - the chambers themselves perhaps modified. There are also unique pot-holes (for lack of a better name) on the surface of the floor stones (foundation). These holes show every sign of being hollowed out by hand and the bottom smoothed. While these types of formations do occur naturally where water is in constant motion over the surface the holes on these stones - at the very least - have been modified. The most obvious modification - when one looks closely - are the 'V-shaped' channels purposely cut into the edges as if to allow some lquid to flow from one hole to the other until it spilled over the edge of the cliff. Nearly everyone of these holes have the channel cut into it. I can't begin to understand the purpose but in some ancient time - perhaps when the Aztecs still resided in Utah - they were important enough to have donated many hours to making."


I swiped this from a FB friend and thought it was worth sharing.  I have yet to read that referenced Ensign article:
Pretty sobered up by Elder Jeffrey R. Holland's recent CES address as well as Elder Quentin Cook's September 2012 Ensign article. There's a game changer going on, folks... instead of pleading with the members to continue in optimism, they are telling us why and how we will need to be in the future if we are to stand. But, as a quote I found this morning shows, even as far back as Brigham Young, they knew what this day would require...

"Do you understand that what the Lord will perform in the latter days will be done quicker than in the former days? He suffered Noah to occupy one hundred and twenty years in building the ark. Were he to command us to build an ark, he would not allow so long a time for completing it. On account of the work’s being hastened in our time, I have good reason to urge upon the people the necessity of their living their religion every moment—of their increasing in faith, in wisdom, in knowledge, and in power to forsake
all bad habits,—to say to all who are in the habit of doing wrong, of getting angry, of contending with their neighbors, and abusing them with their tongues, and abusing themselves, Refrain from your evil ways.

“We will,” say they; but in a very short time many are engaged in their former evil practices, like the child’s whittling the furniture.

It appears as though such persons were glued to the world, and will love and worship it. When they learn the truth, they will learn that it is a folly for a man to love gold and silver, goods and chattels, or any other kind of property and possessions. One that places his affections upon such things does not understand that they are made for the comfort of the creature, and not for his adoration. They are made to sustain and preserve the body while procuring the knowledge and wisdom that pertain to God and his kingdom, in order that we may preserve ourselves, and live for ever in his presence.

Brigham Young JD Vol. 8 pg. 134



Thomas Marsh suffered so for having abandoned all that is good and right.

Thomas B Marsh: Lost everything "I Have Sinned"
Unread postby dennis » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:58 am
Thomas Baldwin Marsh

Although not yet sixty years of age, Thomas B. Marsh looked very old and feeble when he came to Utah in 1857. He was broken in body, mind, and spirit—a condition he attributed to his apostasy from the Church in Missouri nineteen years before. “If any of you want to see the effects of apostasy,” he said, “look upon me.”[1] His wife, Elizabeth Godkin, was dead; his friends and family had deserted him; his health and wealth were gone; and he agonized over the knowledge that he had rejected and had sought to destroy the true Church of Jesus Christ.

In a letter to President Young, he appealed for readmission to the Church. ‘“I have Sinned Against Heaven, and Am Unworthy of Your Confidence, But I Cannot Live without a Reconciliation’
Brigham Young, who had served as an apostle under Brother Marsh, the first president of the Quorum of the Twelve, replied, “Let him be baptized and confirmed and then come to the Valleys.”[2] Two days after Thomas’s arrival in Salt Lake City, President Young invited him to address the Sunday morning gathering of the Saints. Freely confessing the error of his actions, he explained, “I was blinded and thought I saw a beam in brother Joseph’s eye, but it was nothing but a mote, and my own eye was filled with the beam.”[3] He warned the Saints against feeling too secure in their positions in the Church and used himself as an example of how fast and far one could fall if he gave way to the spirit of the adversary. After Brother Marsh’s address, President Young called for a vote to receive him into fellowship. The proposal was carried unanimously.

As a young man, Thomas Marsh became discouraged with the churches of the world and almost lost hope of finding the truth. But through the spirit of prophecy he received the assurance that a new church would soon rise, possessing the gospel in its purity. He heard of Joseph Smith’s “golden Bible” while traveling near Palmyra and immediately investigated. At E. B. Grandin’s printing office, Thomas met Martin Harris and obtained a few pages of the Book of Mormon, which he eagerly studied. Baptized a few weeks later, he became a devoted missionary, laboring in Canada and in many of the United States.

After his call to the Quorum of the Twelve in 1835 and during the persecutions and trials of the Church in the fall of 1838, Brother Marsh became agitated over small matters, and bitterness filled his soul to the extent that he joined the opposition in promoting lies and slander against the Saints. The word of one who had been so high in the leadership of the Church was given great credibility and intensified the violence against the Saints.

The last nine years of Thomas Marsh’s life were spent in the Salt Lake Valley, where he was reordained to the office of high priest and was cared for by his fellow Saints. In the Ogden cemetery a small monument bears the words, “Thomas B. Marsh, First President of the Twelve Apostles . . . Erected by his friends.”

Thursday, September 20, 2012


Okay, this stuff is off the charts.  Really mind blowing if any of it is true.  I have no way to know if its true other than do the required digging when I get a chance.

I always knew that we were supposed to go to Cardston - but never knew how we would get from there to Jackson.  It really had bugged me for years - wondering if we would ever be able to make it back to the body of the Saints after the cleansing was over.

Can I tell you how amazed I am that I am here in this garden spot?  God is quietly, but urgently causing people to move here who have been prepared for a special purpose.  My wife is beside herself; a couple just moved into a beautiful mini-ranchette just across the pasture and she is working in conjunction with our pillar of a Relief Society President (who was inspired to move up from FL) in order to have classes of getting back to the basics (soap making, candles, food preservation, herbs etc).  This gal was raised by hippie parents back in the 60's and lived 100% off the grid; therefore, they can get it done completely without the modern conveniences.  They just felt inspired one day to move from Ogden, UT.  He left a perfectly good job and she was able to get a job here in nursing (she is a midwife).  Her comment at Homemaking the other night was that she would bring up any of the topics in RS back in Ogden and she would get the blank stares.  Here, she is a rockstar because people are into this stuff.

So, to a previous commenter who asked where the gathering spots are.  This is one - Ezra T. Benson had said it at an area conference in 1947 (yes, confirmed by a matriarch of our Stake that was actually there).   One other place is Southern Alberta as previous posts have pointed out.  Here is some information that backs up that hypothesis and prophetic statement I made for my family years ago (as we were driving into this valley and I said, "If we choose to live in this valley, we will eventually have to cross those mountains (on foot like the Von Trapps did) and join the Saints in Cardston." 

Enjoy - and I will try and corroborate this statement (in red below) at some point:

Robert, I am in North Dakota! It is BOOMING up here. There is a help wanted sign on every business. There are holes being drilled constantly. There are also several prophecies which give perspective. Elder Spencer W Kimball visited the New Town Branch, an Indian Branch on Fort Berthold Reservation, in 1962 or 1963, and he said this Branch will be a Stake.

Currently, we are in the Bismarck Stake which includes all of Western North Dakota. About 100 families a month move into this Stake. The Dickinson Ward which I have been a member of has grown from about sixty members 2-3 years ago to nearly 700 members today and we had the chapel added onto last year. Now we are going to get a full chapel this year.

There are Branches popping up in several cities and new Wards being organized every year. Next year the Stake likely will be split as it has been in process for a couple years. That will likely be the Minot Stake covering Northern North Dakota (West) and the Bismarck Stake covering Southern North Dakota (West).

The New Town Stake will still be in the future. Currently there is only about 30 people average attendance in the new building which the New Town Branch meets in, but this prophecy is brought up regularly.

Also Neal A Maxwell visited the Fort Peck Indian Reservation in NE Montana, right next to Williston North Dakota in 1997 and reorganized the Branch into a Ward. One of Sitting Bulls Grandsons was called as the bishop.

Out at Chicken Hill, the Indian Holy site, Elder Maxwell prophecied that Moroni dedicated Chicken Hill as a Temple Site and that a temple would be built there. He said the Lost Tribes of Israel would come from Cardston, Alberta down the Yellowstone River through Montana and then follow the Missouri River straight through Williston North Dakota and Bismarck and into the New Jerusalem or what is now Independence Missouri.

At the groundbreaking of the Bismarck Temple on Sept 1998, President Hinckley told a story about the debate he had with the Twelve pertaining to building a temple in Bismarck. He said their response to the idea was that a Temple in Bismarck would never get used. His response was that the Lord told Him they were to build a temple for those who were going to be coming to ND, not for those who were already there.

The infrastructure that is being built here right now is incredible. In the past 6-12 months, many motels and hotels have been under construction, roads are being changed from single lane highways to double lanes, Industrial Parks are under Construction, over 2000 homes are under construction, the school system is overloaded and having to use a wide variety of buildings to accommodate for the massive influx of children.

This will not stop! It will only increase!

The State of North Dakota is the only state with their own Bank. All the fees for the very few things we have fees on are extremely low. I changed my CDL over in one day and it cost $25. My custom license plates cost me $40. Everything from the State Government is low.

We pray that men like Romney never get power over this state to raise fees on everything and seek to enslave us like he did the people of Massachusetts. Obama has some really bad policies. Socialism is abomination, but the State of ND fights these policies on every level. Let's leave Obama in because Romney is a disaster waiting to happen just as he was to Massachusetts. If you are not strong enough to support liberty and support a candidate who proclaims liberty than don't vote. We don't want Romney to destroy this country. He is a horrible leader. He was a horrible Governor and he will be a horrible President.

Move to ND if you desire freedom. The Saints here are the pick and flower of Utah, Idaho, Arizona, California, etc, etc.

Neal A Maxwell also said temples and Church Welfare sites would go up all along the route from Alaska to Kansas City. It is happening! We are preparing for the return of the Lost Tribes.

Get ready! Buy more food storage! Buy tents and camping supplies! Buy shampoo and toothpaste and Book of Mormons in large quantities and everything else you will need to live on. Get ready! If ye are prepared ye shall not fear. Read the books Roger K Young has purchased! Prepare yourselves spiritually so that you are not shocked by the Cleansing that is coming. Get Ready! I desire to see everybody in the camps of Zion!



Well, copying is the best form of flattery.  This is one from Deila Taylor who is a fan of Hugh Nibley who pointed out that the vikings may have used some form of navigation similar to what the Jaredites had.  If you remember my recent post, a gal talked about her association with her personal seer stone.  Many people run from this topic - I seem to find a complete fascination with it.  Some time in the future, I will share my theory of where diamonds come from - its not where you think.....

Read on:

Friday, February 11, 2011

Vikings and Crystals, Jaredites and Crystals

Did Vikings use crystals for navigation? 

This is the news. I read it in several places:  The History Channel and Scientific American.

Some researchers have suggested that the crystals of the Viking sagas, the mystical magical stones that were white and translucent, may have had some valid use -- that maybe all this talk was not myth and legend. 

They think it had something to do with navigating the seas when it was an overcast day, without the sun beaming down. These crystals were called s√≥larsteinns, or sunstones and it is believed that by light polarization they could detect the position of the sun. Researchers have been duplicating this possibility with success. From 900 to 1200 AD these Scandinavians cruised the high seas. 

And may have used magical stones.

The Book of Mormon has a story about crystals and seafaring vessels.

Its one of the favorite Book of Mormon stories -- the brother of Jared goes up to the mountain-top and moltens out of rock, some crystals to take on the barges to cross the waters. He says the crystals were illuminated by the hand of God to give light in the barges. 

Of course, this is not the exact same use of crystal stones that is hypothesized for the Vikings. But the idea that seafaring people used crystals for something--navigation or light is now surfacing in more places than just the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith.

It is funny how much ridicule Joseph Smith received about the shining stones and Hugh Nibley has a great article about this, called Strange Ships and Shining Stones.  Nibley writes that other ancient legends talk of  "a perfectly transparent crystal and called in the Indian sources (which are the fullest) "Moonfriend," and Jalakanta. The last term is significant, for it means "that which causes the waters to part,"

In the Scientific American article, one scientist, "Keller says he is "totally open" to the idea that the Vikings also used sunstones, but is waiting for archaeological evidence. "If we find a shipwreck with a crystal on board, then I would be happy," 

There are believers in the unseen, people of faith. And then there are unbelievers, and unless they actually see, they cannot believe.

I am a believer in the unseen.
... the brother of Jared, (now the number of the vessels which had been prepared was eight) went forth unto the mount, which they called the mount Shelem, because of its exceeding height, and did molten out of a rock sixteen small stones; and they were white and clear, even as transparent glass; and he did carry them in his hands upon the top of the mount...And I know, O Lord, that thou hast all power, and can do whatsoever thou wilt for the benefit of man; therefore touch these stones, O Lord, with thy finger, and prepare them that they may shine forth in darkness; and they shall shine forth unto us in the vessels which we have prepared, that we may have light while we shall cross the sea. (Ether 3)