THE WOOD ZONE: WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF THE "CHURCH" GOING ASTRAY

THIS BLOG ATTEMPTS TO SHOW HOW SCIENCE IS CATCHING UP WITH REVEALED RELIGION

THIS BLOG IS AN ATTEMPT TO PUT ALL THE COOL STUFF THAT I BUMP INTO ABOUT THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST AND EVENTS THAT LEAD UP TO IT INTO ONE LOCATION.
THE CONTENTS WILL BE FROM AN LDS PERSPECTIVE. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING IN HERE, I DO NOT PARTICULARLY CARE TO ARGUE, UNLESS YOU CAN ADD TO THIS BODY OF WORK. I HAVE AN OPEN MIND, THAT IS WHY I READ STUFF FROM ALL DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND SEEK LEARNING FROM THE BEST BOOKS. I JUST AM NOT HERE TO ARGUE ABOUT IT - BUT TO PUT IT OUT THERE WHERE OTHERS CAN PERUSE/PURSUE IT. I TAKE PARTICULAR INTEREST IN HONEST SEEKERS OF TRUTH AND BELIEVE THAT SCIENCE IS REVEALED RELIGION'S BEST ALLY. YOU WILL SEE ALOT OF TOPICS IN THIS BLOG THAT SHOW SCIENCE BACKING - AND SLOWLY CATCHING UP WITH - REVEALED RELIGION.
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Wednesday, April 16, 2014

WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF THE "CHURCH" GOING ASTRAY

I got the following comment on an earlier post pontificating on 2 Nephi 28-31:

I love how everyone is so blind to the fact that yes they could actually be wrong. I have also suffered from this disease. Anyway this person is stating that there is no way that this chapter could include the LDS church or be aimed at the LDS church, or faith whatever. However in the 11th verse of this chapter it says ALL the churches have gone astray. I don't think it said all but this one. Where I come from all means ALL. I seriously questions this persons judgment across the board! Keep posting Iraq I love this blog. And I don't question your judgment. I do take everything posted on here and study it out for myself though. I would never just take another mans advice or commentary as being scripture, or doctrine unless the spirit confirms it.

I agree wholeheartedly with what the commenter had to say.....

With many things I have said, a few would freak out and think that I have "gone Snuffer", or some such a matter. I would say they missed the boat on my meaning. The phrase "the Church" means (to me, anyway), the body of believers that gather under one roof or doctrinal set. I have a SOLID testimony of all core and even the outlying doctrines (other than maybe the Adam-God theory - which is one of the few I have no clue about other than what little I have read - which was enough to know that I needed to steer clear of it until I was either more mature, or I could ask Brigham myself - neither of which I have done; nor will do in this excessively long run-on sentence). I have no doubt that God lives and that Jesus is my Savior and Redeemer. I know this last dispensation was opened by a humble 14 year old boy asking which church he should join and that, in response to that question, he had the amazing responsibility and honor to translate the Book of Mormon. It is the most correct (scriptural) book on the face of the earth as heaven aided those who wrote in it - and who were involved in directly translating it from one language to another; pure and undefiled. Reading its pages will bring a man closer to God than by any other means. Of all men, I have no better friend than Joseph Smith. I understand him in ways I cannot even explain - though I have never met the man. I hope some day to have an equaled relationship with Jesus - as I read more of his goings-on (as they are revealed in soon-to-be-released sealed scripture, etc) and maybe have the privilege to meet Him while in the flesh - and before I leave this phase of existence.

This I also know: The Book of Mormon was not written for a people that would never read it. It was written to chastise all of God's children who place eyes on it; the Jew and the Gentile (you and I). So when it says that ALL churches have gone astray, it is not talking of the doctrinal set that the Church ascribes to, it is talking of the people that purport to subscribe to that doctrine. WE are the ones who have gone astray and will NOT listen to our prophets, seers and revelators. For this, largely, they have gone silent. I do the same thing with people I know will not take me seriously - I simply clam up. Yet, I will blab to the person right next to them in the most open terms if I think they will listen to me.

Thank you for listening. Sometimes I just have to rant. It is better than a couch and a $120/per hour billing rate..... :)

2 comments:

UnknownApril 17, 2014 at 8:14 AM
One of those very humbling commentaries that hopefully keeps me in check is found in Mormon chapter 8. What appears to be a general description of the world in general seems to change to a warning to the church or believers in Christ at the end of verse 34. Only those of us who wield the restored priesthood can lay claim to devolving into "pollutions" and "hypocrites" (vs 38). At the beginning of Chapter 9 of Mormon the focus shifts yet again to those "who do not believe in Christ."
It's not comfortable stuff. Especially for someone who is as normally mortal as I am. But the doctrine is pure that we are asked to drink of.
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AnonymousAugust 4, 2014 at 5:09 PM
I, too, have reached the point of weariness from trying to discuss things of deep import with others who would seemingly welcome it but do not.

So many in the Church are comfortable with their "I went to Church today" now I can watch the Super Bowl on the Sabbath as a free pass or shield. Its not my fault the big came occurs on the Sabbath.

Idolatry is so subtle. "Thou shalt have NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME."

So many are in denial that "Upon my house it shall begin" applies to them. YES, WE will be the first ones to be cleansed and fittingly so.

I, too, join you in the "clam-up community". I'm tired of the deer in the headlights look, treated like a radical "a wild man hath come among us", deaf ears, ALL IS WELL IN ZION, this won't happen in my lifetime so why bother with it, I'm doing as I please with my time so shut up, attitudes. I'm becoming a very lonely minority in my family/friends unit. And it's very sad indeed to be awake to the signs so apparent while others are asleep.

God help us all. It's coming at us like a freight train.
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WHY SHOULD WE STUDY THE HIDDEN THINGS RELATED TO THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST?

But the Latter-day Saints are not in darkness; they are the children of light, although many of us will actually be asleep. We shall have to wake up and trim up our lamps, or we shall not be prepared to enter in; for we shall all slumber and sleep in that day, and some will have gone to sleep from which they will not awake until they awake up in darkness without any oil in their lamps. But, as a general thing, the Saints will understand the signs of the times. Others have their eyes closed upon the prophecies of the ancient Prophets; and not only that, but they are void of the spirit of prophecy themselves. When a man has this, though he may appeal to ancient Prophets to get understanding on some subjects he does not clearly understand, yet, as he has the spirit of prophecy in himself, he will not be in darkness; he will have a knowledge of the signs of the times; he will have a knowledge of the house of Israel, and of Zion, of the ten tribes and of many things and purposes and events that are to take place on the earth; and he will see coming events, and can say such an event will take place, and after that another, and then another; and after that the trumpet shall sound, and after that certain things will take place, and then another trump shall sound, &c., &c.; and he will have his eye fixed on the signs of the times, and that day will not overtake him unawares.

JD, O PRATT 7:190

JOSEPH SMITH SAID THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING AND WAITING, WILL KNOW THE HOUR:

"Christ says no man knoweth the day or the hour when the Son of Man cometh. This is a sweeping argument for sectarianism against Latter day ism. Did Christ speak this as a general principle throughout all generations Oh no he spoke in the present tense no man that was then liveing upon the footstool of God knew the day or the hour But he did not say that there was no man throughout all generations that should not know the day or the hour. No for this would be in flat contradiction with other scripture for the prophet says that God will do nothing but what he will reveal unto his Servants the prophets consequently if it is not made known to the Prophets it will not come to pass; again we find Paul 1st of Thesslonians 5th Chapter expressly points out the characters who shall not know the day nor the hour when the Son of Man cometh for says he it will come upon them as the theif or unawares. Who are they they are the children of darkness or night. But to the Saints he says yea are not of the night nor of darkness of that that day should come upon you unawares. John the revelator says 14 chap 7th verse that the hour of his judgements is come they are precursers or forerunners of the comeing of Christ. read Matthew 24 Chap and all the Prophets. He says then shall they see the Sign of the comeing of the Son of Man in the clouds of Heaven. How are we to see it Ans. As the lighting up of the morning or the dawning of the morning cometh from the east and shineth unto the west—So also is the comeing of the Son of Man. The dawning of the morning makes its appearance in the east and moves along gradualy so also will the comeing of the Son of Man be. it will be small at its first appearance and gradually becomes larger untill every eye shall see it. Shall the Saints understand it Oh yes. Paul says so. Shall the wicked understand Oh no they attribute it to a natural cause. They will probably suppose it is two great comets comeing in contact with each other It will be small at first and will grow larger and larger untill it will be all in a blaze so that every eye shall see it." (Joseph Smith, General Conference, April 6, 1843