Those that have been posted should probably be copied here so they can be read over and over again (if you are a Spencer/Menet/Wolfgramm person). Things tend to have a way of sorting themselves out in our minds if they are read over and over again. The Spirit will witness to the introspective mind - usually one that does not have needless noise going on in the form of the tv on 24/7 or radio programs that spew mindless garbage. There will be none of that stuff in heaven or on a terrestrial sphere - mostly because people will not need to medicate their wounded spirits with something to drown out the howling consciences and over-riding voices in their heads due to riotous living and a non-repentant spirit. I just tangled with such a person today.
Here are some recent comments on Spencer:
Watch for the signs because they are here already but Spencer was translated at the conference not a much older man and the conference was 2 years after the eq.
Thank you for sharing your blog. I think generally, there is a growing sense among folks that we need to be prepared. Yes, those of us who have carefully studied what is to come recognize that times will be challenging and not anything like what the majority of Latter-day Saints think the last days will be like. Last year, when VOG was gaining popularity, I asked "Spencer" a question through his blog regarding the timing of things. The response I received was.... “Agree with the posting. It is a process that begins now and take a few years to come to full fruition. 5 To 15 years does not seem far off.” My estimate was based on his writings but also trying to reconcile comments made by others, such as President Packer's comments in 2011 that the youth of today can look forward to "getting married, having a family, seeing your children and grandchildren, maybe even great-grandchildren". Anyways, based on my own experiences, the "timing" part has always been the hardest to grasp. Things are surely moving (and something will happen..maybe war), but I am not sure the big EQ will be this year. I enjoy your blog.
I doubt the Lord had any say in the expansion of the MTC or that he even factors it into the equation when tribulation begins. He won't say, "Don't expand the MTC, because I'm going to destroy it." He doesn't micromanage decisions we make using common sense. Think of it from his perspective: he is a man not bound to the weakness of the things we build. He cares only for the souls of men. In the EQ, temples will probably be destroyed, or they will be protected. Nothing is impossible with him. He can rebuild one in a day. He won't care if the church pays for and builds buildings that might be destroyed the next day. He's going to destroy the whole earth, before he cleanses it. Why should he care about a building?
That said, what about the military truck, folks? Are you all forgetting that little detail? How do you explain the existence of such a truck this year, or the next, if the quake is around the corner? How do you reconcile it? That truck does not exist, and will not for years, but the Asian military had them after the quake.
I find it funny that people always get stuck on the truck detail. Seriously? I have a diesel 1-ton truck, two diesel cars, a diesel tractor and a diesel power generator (which I am VERY excited about). Why all diesel? Because diesel stores and I have put up a couple year's worth. It is not super flammable (compared to gasoline) - and it is STABLE. Here is a writeup on my project I just wrote to my daughter (an engineer in college) about:
You would LOVE what is going on in the monster garage. I found a little 7.5hp Lombardini diesel that a co-worker of mine was going to throw away. I call it the Lamborghini.... It had been sitting in the field for 3 years in the rain and had blackberries growing through the cowl around the cooling fins on the cylinder. It was originally on a road sign for charging the batts. Anyway, it has a 90Amp alternator and will charge a set of four golf cart batteries. I found a supplier that has all the gadgets like a system that auto-fills the batts with de-ionized water so they don’t go bad from low electrolyte levels. I am going to install a 12VDC fan from an old computer that I have sitting around – and that will pull the fumes out of the batt case during the re-charge phase. When the alternator is spinning, the fan is too. When it dies out, so does the fan. I found a good source for all the disconnects for the heavy amperage requirements so the battery pack can be removed remotely and used in a remote app without having to drag the whole diesel power source. A place just across the street from the factory here in Everett sells an auto-start module that senses low voltage (about 11.5VDC) on the batteries and kicks on and runs until they are at 12.8VDC and then shuts off automatically, saving loads of fuel and no late-night jaunts out in the rain or snow. This little unit has its own automotive grade starter and everything. I have mounted everything on a skid arrangement with forklift style electrical disconnects (1/2” diameter cable in crimped connectors). I am going top of the line and industrial. I want this thing to last. It will be a $4000 unit off the shelf for under $1000. Feeling VERY blessed in how it all came together. Heck, maybe I ought to perfect it and market it.I thought about you and your after-hours alternative energy group at Glacier High and wished I had come across this a year or two sooner. It would have been the perfect project. Anyway, this along with 400 Watts of solar and a separate diode and charge controller, we will have access to power completely off-grid. I am shopping around for a composting toilet to eliminate the requirement for black-water mitigation and the grey water can be used for watering the garden, etc. The only thing that will be needed is rainwater collection/fresh water sourcing. With the good Berkey, a stream would do the trick.
The other amazing thing about these cars and power plants? I can run them on vegetable oil, motor oil (in a mixed ratio) or most any other oil. If you can get oil or fat warm enough that it is no longer a solid, for the most part, it will run a diesel. The more crude the diesel engine, the worse the garbage it will run in it. A diesel ship runs on bunker fuel - which is basically just crude oil. Carbon fiber truck bodies? Do MORE research. Most OTR trucks out there are made of composites due to weight, durability and ease of manufacture in a low-volume production environment.
Doubt not - but be believing after so many witnesses.
From the book. Tell me if you can think of any vehicle close to production that boasts these technologies:
ReplyDelete"The truck itself was made of some kind of carbon fiber, which made it light and stronger than normal steel. The wheels were designed so that they always remained on the ground, even when crossing a tall obstacle, rock, or fallen tree. The truck was flexible and seemed to twist as it crossed obstacles, but the bed always remained flat and level.
"We found that it would run on anything from crude oil, spent vegetable oils, and cooking grease, to vodka...
"We also discovered that there was a water purification plant built into the truck. We could pour dirty water from a puddle, or even antifreeze from a car radiator, into it, and it would make fresh water for us to drink.
"One interesting feature of the truck was that it had a large solar panel on the roof of the cab. The solar panel could recharge the battery, or another vehicle’s battery. It also had an inverter which produced normal voltage, which we used to cook, make lights for the camp, or any other electrical device. When the truck was running, it had a large generator to make electricity at night, but we chose not to use it much to conserve fuel."
Solar panels like these don't exist yet. They'd be in many cars if the technology was where it could be that efficient. They aren't in American vehicles yet, let alone Chinese ones.
That said, I'm open to the idea that the truck was a metaphor of some kind. However, vehicles haven't change much in the last several decades. Sure, they're lighter and faster, with better electronics, but they haven't yet made the leap to what Spencer describes. I did notice a new Volkswagon carbon vehicle that gets 300 mph. So the tech is on its way, for sure.
You do realize this is a huge foreign military vehicle right? This has nothing to do with the current tech you'd find in the average truck for sale at a dealership... Yet that's what you seem to be implying, that current regular vehicles for sale don't offer those things, so Spencer's vision must be way off.
DeleteI just saw a video of a military truck with solar panels installed on it... So that's already been done. You can't say solar panels like that don't exist, they have and for quite a few years now. It's not an amazing feat to install them on a truck. The solar panels weren't what powered the truck, it was just used to charge the battery if needed, and with an inverter you could plug in regular appliances/devices. Expensive? Yes. Impossible? Hardly.
The water filtration system, once again already exists. Even in the book he says he later learned that filtration systems like that are already out there. Not an amazing feat to install that on a truck.
IRAQ already explained the vehicle running on crude oils, vegetable oils, etc so I don't have to touch on that... Completely possible right now.
Carbon fiber vehicles... Totally possible. The BMW i3 for sale right now is made with a carbon fiber body. If BMW can do it in a mass production car, it's been possible on the military side for some time now. The biggest issue with it is that it's more expensive, which never been much of a problem for military projects.
The part where he says the wheels would always stay on the ground even when going over an obstacle... I've seen that too. I watched a few videos of Czech Military Truck that did exactly that. Each set of wheels was independently suspended, so even when going over large obstacles each set of tires would remain on the ground. The video was not new at all and looked to be made 5-10 years ago, if not more.
You can definitely say that you've never seen a truck quite like this before, but where you are completely off base is when you say the tech for this kind of truck doesn't exist yet. Every single thing Spencer described is feasible with technology available today. We just haven't seen anyone put it all together in the exact way Spencer describes yet.
So no, we haven't seen this exact model of truck yet, but when was the last time you saw the Chinese Military parading their newest hardware to the world? We may never see it until it's already on American soil.
Ok, here's how I see it. God once called a PROPHET named NOAH to warn the people that he was about to cleanse the earth. Few listened to Noah, thus they perished. Our modern day Prophets have NOT been telling a WORLDWIDE CHURCH of 15 MILLION to build a bunker, safehouse or bug out spot with 7 years of food and 2 years of fuel and convert everything to diesel because of impending EMP Nuclear strikes on the USA. What we DO HEAR is the work is HASTENING. We need more missionaries. We need more family history work done. We need more temple ordinances done. Why, oh why, then would The Lord waste the entire west coast of the USA where 3 million LDS's live? Why would he turn the earth back to the stone age and guarantee the work would grind to a screeching halt because all the DIGITAL & Electronic photos and records are totally gone? How would this carry the work forward?? All I hear is positve, positive, positve outlooks about our future. Sure, there will be earthquakes, tornades, floods, wars, etc. but these have been going on for decades. Yes they will increase, and that's why we are commanded to "be prepared" and have a 1 year supply. However, WHAT GOOD IS A 1 YEAR SUPPLY, if the entire planet is decimated and I have to feed my neighbors? That supply would last a WEEK! Then what?? Forage for twigs and berries?? Yes I see hard times, possibly an economic collapse, more wars, but we're all used to these by now. I have a hard time with the concept of The Lord wasting millions of righteous LDS's who are doing what they are supposed to. Who would carry the work forth then? God does not reveal his future plans to some annonymous guy named "Spencer" and proclaim that his "Vision" is now gospel and 15 million are to follow it. Sorry.
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ReplyDeleteI am not sure if you are the favorite troll of this person or what, but it is apparent that you weren't paying attention to one half of the Conference talks. Yes, we hear about hastening the work. Yes, we hear about the need to do our family history and more temple ordinances. Yes we hear about the positive destiny of the LDS Church, and all of these things WILL happen.
The prophets wouldn't be telling us to do that if we were doing that. Sure we have nearly 90 thousand missionaries when just a couple of years ago we had 55 thousand. Truth is though there could be MANY more missionaries if all or even half of the men were active.
The Kingdom of Judah was inhabited by hundreds of thousands if not a couple million Jews. That didn't stop God from taking it out when their wickednesses reached Him, when they blasphemed Him in the middle of His house.
And though there may be quite a few of the righteous Saints, we read in the Scriptures that the first signs like in former days, will commence in His house, taking out those that have professed to know Him, but have blasphemed Him in the middle of His house.
We heard in this last conference and the one before that there will be persecution. We have the words of the prophets that the Saints will be praying day and night for deliverance, because things will be getting tough. If you have a doubt look at President Woodruff's prayer that he offered when he dedicated the Salt Lake Temple.
Just so you know I am NOT a Spencer follower, as I have never read his book. But I do believe in what those called to be prophets seers and revelators have said over the years and things are going to get extremely tough.
Once you read the messages of GC again you will understand what makes the blog owner tick. They know disasterous things will happen. Spencer in this context if I were to read him would be to me another witness. As are people like Wolfgramm (another person mentioned in this specific blog), and other faithful members of the Church who have dreamed dreams and seen visions.
I follow the prophet and the apostles. They all say, there are positive things ahead for the Church, but tough times are coming first. Four MTC buildings cost chump change next to one temple. And if you heard Conference President Monson said that most of those under construction will be finished up by next year. So while we talk about four MTC buildings being constructed, lets talk about the lack of temples announced in the past couple of general conferences. And lets talk about the economic indicators pointing to 2015-2020 as the years where the economy will tank like in the Great Depression.
Only when you start understanding things from multiple perspectives and praying to God to find the right perspective will you understand better the HOW and the WHY the prophets say what they say, and not just the WHAT.
Second John Anon: WISE UP!
Bryan, I appreciate your thoughts. It takes boldness to make assumptions about someone you've never met however, and suggest they "wise up" without understanding my entire point. I too, eargerly watch every session of conference every 6 mos. I follow many world events on many alternative new sources. I pay very close attention to finances particularly. I expect a big economic collapse. I try to have a good food storage. What I do NOT expect is for the Lord to waste millions of good, decent LDS's who are doing what they should be. I don't see a mass exodus of Stake Presidents and Bishops moving to Utah or Montana to stock pile weapons, food, and diesel fuel. If we saw this happening in our leadership, I'd think many people would follow suit. If all this bad stuff is going to happen, EMP strike, nukes, EQ's that leave the USA and most of the world desolate, WHO will preach the gospel, and WHO will they preach it TO?? I have a hard time with thinking the entire LDS church infrustructure will the destroyed, the internet gone, power grid destroyed, etc. The "Work" would STOP. We depend on the technology that the LORD has allowed us to have for a reason. Everything is DIGITAL these days. Wipe that out, and what do we do? No family history work gets done for one. There's an underlying theme to the "WoodZone", that makes it seem that if you're not part of the group who follows "spencer" and has 7 years of food, thousands of rounds of ammo, and years worth of fuel, then YOU are the group that will perish. I personally know many, many great people in my ward and stake and family that are not going to these extremes, but do believe there will be hard times ahead. Yes our Prophets have repeatedly told us to be prepared, and that we'd "get to feed our neighbors". So, my 1 year supply will last a couple weeks in that case. WHAT NEXT? Are we supposed to starve OR expect "Manna"? I'm being totally serious here. It gets tiresome being told to "wake up" when I know most of our good LDS's and local leaderships are NOT going to the extremes pushed on the "WoodZone".
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