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Wednesday, November 25, 2015

CLEON SKOUSEN ON AMERICA'S DEMISE AFTER SHE MAKES WAR WITH THE SAINTS

We are currently "in it".  Notice how all things are coming together in a perfect storm and at an alarmingly increasing pace??  It is breathtaking - and I love it.  Giddyup!:

And so, as John says, it will continue until at some point the first dictatorship will attain a position of absolute power for three-and-a-half years. Then an amazing thing will happen.

THE FIRST DICTATORSHIP WILL MAKE A DEADLY MISTAKE

However, at this point, John saw that the first dictatorship would make a lethal mistake which will eventually wipe it out of existence. Here is what happens:
“And he [beast or dictator] opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
“And it was given unto him to make WAR AGAINST THE Saints and to OVERCOME them: and power was given him over all mankind, and tongues and nations.” 34

FROM THIS POINT ON, THE FIRST DICTATORSHIP WILL DRIFT INTO OBLIVION

Just as John’s account reaches a point of supreme suspense with the monster declaring war against the Saints – and overcoming them – John tells us the first dictatorship has been obliterated.
But what happened? He doesn’t tell us what happened! He simply closes the account of the first dictatorship with this rather amazing philosophical comment:
“If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.” 35
In other words, the first dictatorship has disintegrated into ashes and the faith of the saints is vindicated.
But what brought this about after the first dictatorship turned on the Saints and overpowered them?
Perhaps John left out this vital part of his story so it could be told by his Master. In any event we now have the whole story in the Book of Mormon, and it probably gives us far greater details than John could have provided.

THE RESURRECTED JESUS TELLS WHAT HAPPENS TO THE FIRST DICTATORSHIP

When the resurrected Jesus appeared to his “other sheep” on the American continent in 34 A.D., he talked a lot about America in the latter days. He talked about the Gentiles coming from Europe and setting up the first free people in modern times. He talked about their riches and their power. But he also talked about their wickedness . He said the pure original gospel would be restored among them but unless they embraced it as a people, America would be entirely cleansed of its gentile wickedness and this continent would be largely depopulated.
Here is the way Jesus said it:
“And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret combinations, and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I WILL BRING THE FULNES MY GOSPEL FROM AMONG THEM.” 36

BUT HOW WOULD AMERICA BE CLEANSED?

On God’s prophetic time line, the cleansing of America was recognized in heaven as such a monumental watershed in history that God was talking about it with his prophet Micah clear back around 700 B.C. 37 Having already discussed this momentous event with one of his prophets, Jesus therefore quoted Micah to the Nephites. He introduced it by saying:
“And the Father hath commanded me that I should give unto you this land for your inheritance.
“And I say unto you, that if the Gentiles do not repent after the blessing which they shall receive, after they have scattered my people – then shall ye WHO ARE A REMNANT OF THE HOUSE OF Israel go forth among them, and ye shall be in the midst of them who shall be many, and ye shall be among them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, and as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who, if he goeth through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.
“Thy hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off. I will gather my people together as a man gathereth his sheaves into the floor. For I will make my people with whom the Father hath covenanted, yea, I will make thy horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass. And thou shalt beat in pieces many people; and I will consecrate their gain unto the Lord, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth. And behold, I am he who doeth it.” 38

WHERE IS THE SEED OF JACOB THAT WILL CONQUER THE FIRST DICTATORSHIP?

The predominantly Lamanite-Nephite nations – which comprise the seed of Jacob today – are not difficult to identify. They are the Latin American nations from Mexico to Argentina.
But what would provoke them to attack the gentile nations which are located primarily in North America? And how would they ever have the military strength to win a decisive victory of a dictatorship that had ruled the whole world for three-and-half years?
As we have already seen, John the Revelator said the first dictatorship would disintegrate right after it commences to “make war with the saints, and overcome them.” 39
But is this the CAUSE of its downfall or merely a COINCIDENCE which occurs incidental to the collapse of the first dictatorship?
During the past twenty years something has been occurring among the Latin American countries which has kindled a violent bitterness toward the United States, although it has received practically no publicity. Here is what happened.
According to Dr. Patrick S.J. Carmack, the massive privately-owned banks which dominate the United Nations World Bank and International Monetary Fund went down to the Latin American countries around 1980 and offered them huge quantities of money on loan. The Latin American countries and their corrupt leaders eagerly accepted the money.
However, they have not been able to pay the interest on these loans, let alone the principal. The banks said they would just add the unpaid interest to the principal and soon these poverty stricken countries found themselves paying vast amounts in COMPOUND INTEREST on huge sums which represented not only the original loan but the accumulated interest they have not been able to pay. This is called COMPOUND INTEREST.
Dr. Carmack points out that the anguish of the Latin American countries is reflected in the fact that between 1980 and 1990 they paid $418 billion in interest on the original loans of 80 billion. 40
The bank managers knew from the beginning that these nations would never be able to pay off these huge debts, but they had a scheme to liquidate the debts by exchanging them for valuable national assets of these nations.
Dr. Carmack reports that such a proposal was made during the Fourth World Wilderness Conference in 1987. The plan allows Third World debtors to transfer their debt to the World Conservation Bank which then negotiates with each nation in terms of their national assets (such as undeveloped mining sites, wilderness areas, etc.) until the full indebtedness is liquidated. This scheme has already been implemented in Bolivia, Costa Rica and Ecuador. 41
The main significance in all of this is the discovery that there are powerful engines of resentment and desperate hatred being generated among the Latin American countries. They are focused on the United States because they feel these financial traps were engineered by the IMF and World Bank under the control of the United States.
Under certain provocative circumstances this is the type of explosive indignation that might generate an uprising. This would be particularly true if the United States was suddenly engulfed in some natural disaster or plague THAT LEFT HER SUDDENLY WEAK.

THE CRASH OF THE FIRST DICTATORSHIP MAY BE FACILITATED BY DIVINE INTERVENTION

In one revelation the Lord mentions some divine intervention which will be operating during the cleansing of America. He says:
“For behold, and lo, vengeance cometh speedily upon the ungodly as the whirlwind; and who shall escape it? The Lord’s scourge shall pass over by night and by day, and the report thereof shall vex all people. It shall not be stayed until the Lord comes.
“Nevertheless, Zion shall escape if she observe to do all things whatsoever I have commanded her.”
“But if she observe not to do whatsoever I have commanded her, I will visit her according to all her works; with sore affliction, with pestilence, with plague, with sword, with vengeance, with devouring fire.” 42
Joseph Smith saw a vision of the cleansing of America and wrote:
“And now I am prepared to say by the authority of Jesus Christ, that not many years shall pass away before the United States shall present such a scene of bloodshed as has not a parallel in the history of our nation; pestilence, hail, famine, and earthquake will sweep the wicked of this generation from off the face of the land to open and prepare the way for the return of the lost tribes of Israel from the north country.” 43
There are three other accounts by those who were allowed to see a vision of what it will be like when the cleansing of America occurs.
The first is the account by John Taylor who was allowed to see the nation in the grip of a terrible scourge which he said would leave whole cities without any life whatever. 44
The second is Brigham Young who also saw the terrible plagues and scourges which would make the United States extremely vulnerable to any hostile invasion. 45
The third is by Charles D. Evans who describes the nature of the plague which is horrible to contemplate. 46
Finally, a modern revelation verifies the reality of this terrible pestilence and it is just as ghastly and abhorrent as that which these three men saw in vision. 47
The Lord also says:
“And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land.” 48

UNDER SUCH CALAMITOUS CONDITIONS HOW COULD THE RIGHTEOUS PROTECT THEMSELVES?

Perhaps the reason Nephi was so anxious to tell us about the things he saw was to assure us that our Heavenly Father would not be unmindful of us. As we have already seen, the Lord said:
“Nevertheless, Zion shall escape if she observe to do all things whatsoever I have commanded her.” 49
This is confirmed in another revelation where the Lord says:
“But my disciples shall stand in holy places, and shall not be moved; but among the wicked, men shall lift up their voices and curse God and die…When all these things shall come to pass, ye may know that the promises which have been made unto you will all be fulfilled.” 50
As President Heber C. Kimball described these prophecies of the latter days, the people asked him, “What will become of this people?” He replied:
“That will depend, altogether upon our conduct. We have it within our power; God has given it to us to save ourselves from the desolation and calamities that will come upon this nation. How? By doing that which is right… .If we do this, prosperity will be upon the inhabitants…prosperity will be upon the towns and cities erected by this people, the hand of the Lord will be over us to sustain us, and we will spread forth…
“Now we have the choice. It is within our reach… .And on the other hand, we ca n reach forth the hand and partake of wickedness and bring desolation and destruction upon our borders.” 51

5 comments:

  1. Prophecy.....
    1. After a while, the saints will gather by the thousands to this place (happened earlier), and SLC will be classed among the wicked cities of the world. A spirit of speculation and extravagance will take possession of the Saints, and the results will be...

    (a) Financial bondage,
    (b) Persecution comes next.
    (c) All true LDS will be TESTED TO THE LIMIT.
    (d) Many will apostatize and others will be still not known what to do.

    Before that day comes, however...

    (a) the saints will be put to the tests (obedience to commandments-all of them both ancient & modern day revelation ie...SSM, etc.) that will try the integrity of the best of them.
    (b) The pressure will become so great that the more righteous among them will cry unto the Lord day and night "until deliverance comes." (Heber C. Kimball, Deseret News, Church Department, p3, May 23, 1931).

    --Wilford Woodruff said in the Millennial Star, Vol 51,p547,1889...
    Zion is not going to be moved out of her place. The Lord will plead with her strong ones, and if she sins he will chastise her until she is purified before the Lord. I do not pretend to tell how much sorrow you or I are going to meet with before the coming of the Son of Man. THAT WILL DEPEND ON OUR CONDUCT.

    --Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol12, p241, July 25, 1868
    The Lord himself gave the key as to how the saints could triumph over the enemies from that very hour: (a) Learn to listen to the whisperings of the Holy Spirit. (b) Listen to the counsel of the servants of God until we come to the unity of the faith.

    --Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses, Vol17,pg70, May 8, 1874.
    There are certain events awaiting the nations of the earth as well as Zion; and when these evens overtake us we will be preserved if we take the counsel that is given us and unite our time, labor and means, and produce what we need for our own use; but without this we shall not be prepared to sustain ourselves and we shall suffer loss and inconvenience thereby.

    --John 15:20 (New Testament)
    The Savior taught that the very fact that one makes a commitment to the gospel may bring suffering and persecution upon him. Remember, the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than the Lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also
    persecute you.

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  2. Gathering To Zion....

    --Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol12,pg153, Jan 12, 1868.
    We are gathered together expressly to become of...
    (a) One heart & one mind in all our operations & endeavors to establish Christ's spiritual and temporal kingdom upon the earth.
    (b) To prepare for the coming of the Son of Man in power and great glory.

    --D&C 63:33, Ibid.,63:32-37...
    The key by which the Lord would deliver his saints from the wrath which is to come. That key was the gathering to Zion BEFORE THE JUDGMENTS WERE POURED OUT IN FULL MEASURE.

    --Joseph Smith taught in 1834 (Joseph Smith ,DHC, Vol2, p52, April 21, 1834)...
    Without Zion, and a PLACE OF DELIVERANCE, WE MUST FALL; because the time is near (he was talking about our day) when the sun will be darkened, and the moon turn to blood, and the stars fall from heaven, and the earth reel to and fro. Then, if htis is the case, and if we are not sanctified and gathered to the places God has appointed with all our former professions and our great love of the Bible we must fall; we cannot stand; we cannot be saved; for

    (a) God WILL GATHER OUT HIS SAINTS FROM THE GENTILES
    (b) AND THEN COMES DESOLATION & DESTRUCTION.

    Warning regarding The Gathering...
    --Joseph Smith, DHC, Vol3, p390-391, Jul 2, 1839

    I prophesy, that the man who tarries after he has an opportunity of going, will be afflicted by the devil. Wars are at hand; we must not delay; but are not required to sacrifice. We ought to have the building up of Zion as our greatest object WHEN WARS SHALL COME, WE SHALL HAVE TO FLEE TO ZION. The cry is to make haste. Ye shall NOT HAVE HAD TIME to have gone over the earth until these things come (Debunks that EVERY country and nation, town and city must hear the Gospel before anything at all will happen.) It will come as did the cholera, war, fires and earthquakes; one pestilence after another, until the Ancient of Days comes (this event is when Michael and the Savior come to A-O-A), then judgment will be given to the saints.

    --Harold B. Lee , The Improvement Era, June 1948, p320.
    Thus, clearly the Lord has placed the responsibility for directing the work of gathering in the hands of the leaders of the Church to whom he will reveal his will shere and when such gatherings would take place in the future. It would be well before the frighening events concerning the fulfillment of all God's promises and predictions are upon us, that the Saints in every land prepare themselves and look forward to the instruction that shall come to them from the First Presidency of this Church as to where they shall be gathered and not be disturbed in their feelings until such instruction is given to them as it is revealed by the Lord to the proper authority.[[ Look to the Presidency and receive instruction.]] The important thing is for a person to so live that when the instructions come from the Lord through his servants, he will be ready to heed them and gather to the designated places wherever they may be.

    Warning...... -- Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, Vol5,p10, July 5, 1857.
    Lay up your stores, and take your silks and fine things, and exchange them for grain and such things as you need, and the time will come when we will be obliged to depend upon our own resources; for the time is not far distant when THE CURTAIN WILL BE DROPPED BETWEEN US AND THE UNITED STATES. When the time comes, you will wish you had commenced sooner to make your own clothing. I tell you God requires us to go into home manufacture; and prolong it as much as you like, you have got do do it.

    Warning....--Joseph Smith, DHC, Vol6,p12, Sept. 9,1843.
    But, if He commands us to come out and gather together, He WILL NOT SAVE US BY STAYING HOME.

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  3. Other interesting things....
    --John A. Widtsoe, Evidence & Reconciliations, Bookcraft; SLC 1943, p.197).
    The man like unto Moses in the Church is the President of the Church. Only the worthy will be called up to return to Jackson County to build up that great city.

    Building up the City of Zion...
    1. We are here to learn until we are of one heart & one mind in things in this life (Brigham Young, JOD, Vol.11,p324, Feb 10, 1867.
    2. The return to Missouri can not happen until the people have prepared themselves to do it by their faithfulness and obedience to the commands of God. I prophesy to you, in the name of the Lord than when the Latter Day Saints have prepared themselves through righteousness to redeem Zion, they will accomplish the work. (We must become of one heart and one mind...pure love of Christ....makes a man wonder how much we will have to be chastened by the Lord to become such a people. In parenthesis is my personal thoughts.)
    (3) Brigham Young also warned that the Church must hasten its preparation or the Lord would be ready for the return before the saints were.

    Prerequisite for returning to Jackson County (Joseph F. Smith, Millennial Star,Vol 56, p385-387, Jun 18,1894.
    (a) A special kind of worthiness will be required to return to Jackson County. Members of the church will have to live the Law of Consecration and stewardship also called the United Order. It is a way of life that all of God's children are provided for eliminating poverty and all of God's children would live in harmony and brotherhood. Anyone returning to Jackson County must be able and willing to live the principles of the Law of Consecration -- NOT THE LAW OF TITHING.

    Life in the City of Zion...(John Taylor, ibid, Vol10,p147, Apr 6,1863.
    We believe that we shall rear splendid edifices, magnificent temples and beautiful cities that shall become the pride, praise and glory of the whole earth. We believe that this people will excel in literature, in science, and the arts and in manufacturer, in fact, there will be a concentration of wisdom of the world as it now exists, but men will be inspired in regard to all these matters in a manner and to an extent that they have never been before, and we shall eventually, when the Lord's purposes are carried out, the most magnificent buildings, the most pleasant and beautiful gardens, the richest and most costly clothing and be the most healthy and the most intellectual people that will reside upon the earth. This is part and parcel of our faith.

    Additional info on life in that city...(Orson Pratt, Discourse, 1879)
    We expect to be farmers, a great many of us. We expect to introduce all kinds of machinery and manufactures. We expect to build mills. We expect to have our merchandise and our stores and storehouses in the land. We expect to build a great many hundred school houses in that country just the same as we have already done. We expect to build a great number of academies or the higher schools, universities and hundreds of meeting-houses. We expect to be a people very densely located there - not one man taking up 6 or 8 miles of land, and calling it his farm.

    Events to take place during the establishment of Zion, or shortly thereafter.
    (1) Establishment of the Kingdom of God
    (2) Restoration of the Lamanites
    (3) The return of the lost 10 tribes of Israel.
    (4) The great council at A-O-A.
    (5) The last great missionary call to the world.

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  4. As a Young Lion teareth into pieces....(3Nephi 20:15-16, D&C87:5, Daniel H. Wells, Millennial Star, Vol 27, p 186-187)

    (1) If the Gentiles do not fulfill their responsibilities to these downtrodden people (Native American Indians (Lamanites, remnant of Jacob) , another prophetic promise shall come into play, namely the destruction of the Gentile nations.
    (2) They shall ye, who are a remnant of the House of Jacob, go forth among them; and ye shall be in the midst of them who shall be many, and ye shall be among them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, and as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who if he goeth through treadeth down and teareth in pieces and none can deliver.
    (3) To add to the sufferings and great calamities of the American nation, they will be greatly distressed by the aboringines, who will "marshall themselves, and become exceeding angry," and vex them with a sore vexation." This event we believe may not take place in its fullness until the nation has been greatly weakened by the death of millions in their own revolutionary battles.

    Lost 10 Tribes of Israel... (Gerald Lund, read D&C 133: 26-33.)
    As of yet, their specific location has not yet been revealed. But, the idea that the gathering has already been fulfilled in the great missionary efforts of the Church is in error, for the Prophets have definitely stated that they shall come as a body, their coming shall be so miraculous that it could not be mistaken for a gradual response to missionary work.

    --Joseph Fielding Smith, Church History and Modern Revelation, Melchizedek Priesthood Course of study, published by the Council of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, SLC Utah, 1948, Vol 2, p141.

    The great day of the coming of the lost tribes would be after the preparatory work had been accomplished in the destruction of the wickedness in very great measure, and the way prepared in part for the coming of the Lord also and the building of his Holy City, and Temple.

    This fulfillment of the great prophecies concerning the lost ten tribes of Israel will provide one of the most sure and most impressive signs that the end of the world in its telestial state is about to draw a close.

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  5. I've always, always, taken great comfort in President Harold B. Lee's statement about not "being disturbed in our feelings" about what's coming in the future. To prepare as best we can and wait upon the Lord through His authorized servants for instruction. I like that. It helps calm me down. To many of the NDE last day vision books are coming out that are confusing and scary and do nothing BUT DISTURB MY FEELINGS! Even the Lord Jesus Christ, Himself, has told us to not let our hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid. If we can't take HIS WORD for it, who's can we believe?

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