HOW TO DEAL WITH WOLVES IN THE MIDST OF THE FLOCK - APOSTASY IS BECOMING GENERAL

HYPOCRISY BY THOSE WHO WANT TO CHANGE GOD’S COMMANDMENTS TO FIT THEIR OWN SELFISH WANTS

The teachings of the Lord are clear in regard to the way we must deal with sinners. Christ treated them with compassion -- as long as they confessed that their sin was a sin. Only when they attempted to pretend that their sin was righteousness did he harshly name them for what they were: fools, hypocrites, sinners. Hypocrites because they were unwilling to change their behavior and instead attempted to change the law to fit it; fools because they thought that deceiving an easily deceivable society would achieve the impossible goal of also deceiving God. These are they who are “kicking against the pricks” and “fighting against the Saints of God”. Joseph Smith taught that it is never enough to physically leave the body of the Church and then leave the Saints alone. You can leave the Church, but the Church never leaves you -- because immutable truth is just that, immutable. It will gnaw at you at every turn and every choice in life until you either bow the knee and confess Christ as your Savior or raise your fist to heaven and curse God and wish to die because of your defiance at the failing to give heed to saving laws and ordinances which can bring peace and lasting joy.

The Church has plenty of room for individuals who are struggling to overcome their temptation and bad behavior. But for the protection of the Saints and the good of the persons themselves, the Church has no room for those who, instead of repenting of gross sin, wish it to become an acceptable behavior in the society of the Saints. They are wolves in sheep's clothing, preaching meekness while attempting to devour the flock, or their families, etc. 

No act of violence is ever appropriate to protect Christianity from those who would rob it of its meaning. None of us are without sin -- the casting of stones is not our duty or our privilege. All that must ever be done to answer them is to declare the truth, and to deny them the right to call themselves Latter-day Saints while proclaiming their false doctrine. Even as Christ freed from her accusers the woman taken in adultery, he told her, Go and sin no more.

Quote attributed to Orson Scott Card with modification by Iraq.

I HAVE TO DEAL WITH MANY LOVED ONES WHO ARE APOSTATE IN SOME FORM OR ANOTHER AND IT IS WEARYING.  I CAN ONLY IMAGINE HOW GOD MUST FEEL WITH SO MANY STRAYING AT THIS TIME.....  THE MOST EGREGIOUS THING I CAN THINK OF IS QUESTIONING THE PROPHET OF THE LORD WHEN IT COMES TO CONTENT OF THE TEMPLE ENDOWMENT - WHILE STILL SAYING THAT YOU ARE TEMPLE WORTHY AND CARRY A RECOMMEND.

I DEDICATE THIS POST TO AN OLD FRIEND FROM MY GROWING UP DAYS: TALMAGE B. (KNOWN AS TAL), WHO IS THE SON OF RANDY B.  RANDY JOINED THE CHURCH AFTER MEETING A BEAUTIFUL LDS WOMAN.  TAL GREW UP WITH ME, WENT TO ARGENTINA ON A MISSION AND WAS MARRIED TO A WOMAN WHO BORE HIM SEVEN CHILDREN UNDER THE COVENANT. HE HAD THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD WITH HIM UNTIL HE FELL FROM GRACE AND IS NOW BUSILY KICKING AGAINST THE PRICKS AS ONE OF THE LEADING ANTI'S IN THE CHURCH.

THE ONLY EXPLANATION THAT I CAN COME UP WITH (AND I CONFRONTED HIM ABOUT IT) IS LAW OF CHASTITY ISSUES. HE DENIED IT - BUT YOU CANNOT EASILY HIDE THE OBVIOUS AS YOU SPEW THREATENINGS AND RAILINGS AGAINST THE LORD'S ANOINTED.

PLEASE SEE THE FOLLOWING YOU TUBE LINKS OF HIS MUSIC VIDEOS (BELOW) BEFORE AND AFTER A PERSONAL FALL.

BEFORE (NOTE COUNTENANCE IN "SHE'S SO HIGH" - WHICH WAS A NUMBER ONE RATED POP SONG):

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ElORM9O-0U

AFTER (SHOWING HIS LESS INNOCENT (**pure??**) COUNTENANCE):


http://www.songkick.com/artists/553157-tal-bachman

I GOT AN ANGRY E-MAIL FROM TAL ONCE WONDERING WHY I WAS SINGLING HIM OUT TO MAKE AN EXAMPLE.  I WAS SHORT AND TO THE POINT.  HE WAS BRINGING FALSE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THE CHURCH - AND I SIMPLY WANTED TO GIVE MY PERSONAL WITNESS THAT HIS FORM OF ACRIMONIOUS MORMON BASHING WAS DUE TO HIS PERSONAL FALL - NOT ANY REAL ISSUES HE HAD AGAINST THE CHURCH.

I ONLY PUT THIS STUFF OUT THERE AS A FASCINATING REMINDER OF HOW ANY ONE CAN FALL IF PROPER CARE AND FEEDING OF THE SPIRIT IS NOT ATTENDED TO REGULARLY. 

IF THOU DOEST NOT WELL, SIN LIETH AT THE DOOR - CALLING GOOD. EVIL AND EVIL, GOOD

One of the more interesting things I found in my study of the wicked and adulterous generation is that there is a progression of things that seems to go as follows:

1) Get hung up on some point of doctrine
2) Get that wicked spirit about you (where you seek to counsel God's anointed - however mortal they may be)
3) Commit adultery (other forms of sexual sin qualify - if its not repented of)
4) Murder, etc

Read carefully what occurred in Cain's life. I had always surmised that he had somehow gotten tangled in some form of sexual sin to fit the standard pattern (and some people may skip some steps - but the end result is the same if they do "not well".... Sure enough, the Talmudic tradition states that Cain sought and had an adulterous affair with Abel's wife. There was more to the murder than just getting the physical property of Abel. It became much like what David went through - except, once warned (as they both were), one case ended in the ultimate badness - having walked and talked with the Lord previous to their fall. Here is the account - and read it carefully with an analytical mind. Draw the comparisons:

21 But unto Cain, and to his offering, he had not respect. Now Satan knew this, and it pleased him. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

22 And the Lord said unto Cain: Why art thou wroth? Why is thy countenance fallen?

23 If thou doest well, thou shalt be accepted. And if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door, and Satan desireth to have thee; and except thou shalt hearken unto my commandments, I will deliver thee up, and it shall be unto thee according to his desire. And thou shalt rule over him;

24 For from this time forth thou shalt be the father of his lies; thou shalt be called Perdition; for thou wast also before the world.

25 And it shall be said in time to come—That these abominations were had from Cain; for he rejected the greater counsel which was had from God; and this is a cursing which I will put upon thee, except thou repent.

26 And Cain was wroth, and listened not any more to the voice of the Lord, neither to Abel, his brother, who walked in holiness before the Lord.

27 And Adam and his wife mourned before the Lord, because of Cain and his brethren.

28 And it came to pass that Cain took one of his brothers’ daughters to wife, and they loved Satan more than God.

29 And Satan said unto Cain: Swear unto me by thy throat, and if thou tell it thou shalt die; and swear thy brethren by their heads, and by the living God, that they tell it not; for if they tell it, they shall surely die; and this that thy father may not know it; and this day I will deliver thy brother Abel into thine hands.

30 And Satan sware unto Cain that he would do according to his commands. And all these things were done in secret.

31 And Cain said: Truly I am Mahan, the master of this great secret, that I may murder and get gain. Wherefore Cain was called Master Mahan, and he gloried in his wickedness.

32 And Cain went into the field, and Cain talked with Abel, his brother. And it came to pass that while they were in the field, Cain rose up against Abel, his brother, and slew him.

Herein lies the problem.  In the Church, our numbers are approaching those of the world.  We are basically 5 years out of phase (behind) - but following the same primrose path to badness.  As we follow this path as a Church , there will be a huge amount of  Dr. Bennett(s) - of  Nauvoo fame.  The adulterous one who caused so much damage to the Church so many years ago.  These wicked and adulterous/fornicatious ones will become the stumbling blocks within the Church as we go thru this last sifting phase before the burning.

  This blog post originally posted in 2008.  Look where we are at right now........  Iraq

A WARNING TO A WICKED AND ADULTEROUS GENERATION

Folks, this is a re-post to an earlier occasion in 2008 when I was doing battle with some co-workers who were shredding me over my association with Mitt Romney (the Moron, as they used to call him)....  Now, I may not vote for him in the election - gotta say I am riding the fence to the last minute on this one - but I took exception to their blatant bias toward members of the Church.  Thankfully, I have left the group and do not have to deal with them.  I prayed a simple prayer and asked God to judge between me and these two individuals who took major exception with my beliefs.  Within a 14 month period, two people were dead and attitudes were right at about 180 degrees out from what they were before.  When you bear simple testimony, it is rebuffed and persecution if heaped upon your head, and you endure it to 7x70, then you simply ask God to take over.  And what a ride it is - He does not fail you.  The witness was clear.

In the case of Joseph, he was doing as he was commanded, and many people accused him of being the one that was not in the way.  The Saints were effectively tossed out of the US (at the time) and the US was judged for their "kindness" on our behalf.  The (first) Civil War was brutal and the people on the western front (Missouri) paid dearly for it (see my previous post on General Order #10).  We soon enter a phase, where our brethren are going to toss us out (socially) again over sexual perversion (gay marriage), calling us the freaks, and then we will have to witness another civil action so horrifying that most people witnessing it, asked that the scene be shut up from their view.  That will pave the way for the return of the 10 tribes and the purification of the future inhabitants of Zion in order that they will be ready to receive the Bridegroom.  The Saints will be forced to take a side in this brewing conflict.  If you have a wicked and adulterous spirit, you will choose wrongly - as so many are doing now in the Church.  Political correctness and pandering will send you into the wrong side of this battle:
  Here is my previous post:

A WICKED AND ADULTEROUS GENERATION

THIS IS A TOPIC THAT I HAVE BEEN RUMINATING ON FOR DECADES NOW. WHEN I WAS PREPARING FOR MY MISSION, I WAS READING THE BOOK "TEACHINGS OF THE PROPHET JOSEPH SMITH" (TOPJS), AND I CAME ACROSS THE STORY THAT HE HAD WHILE PREACHING IN PHILADELPHIA, QUOTED HERE:

The Sign Seeker

Section Five 1842-43, p.278

When I was preaching in Philadelphia, a Quaker called out for a sign. I told him to be still. After the sermon, he again asked for a sign. I told the congregation the man was an adulterer; that a wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and that the Lord had said to me in a revelation, that any man who wanted a sign was an adulterous person. "It is true," cried one, "for I caught him in the very act," which the man afterwards confessed when he was baptized. (Feb. 9, 1843.) DHC 5:268.



I WAS IMPRESSED THAT JOSEPH SMITH HAD THE BOLDNESS TO CALL THIS DETRACTOR ON THE CARPET WHILE HE HAD NOT A SHRED OF PROOF (OTHER THAN A PRINCIPLE AND THE HOLY SPIRIT AS HIS GUIDE) THAT THE MAN WAS AN ADULTERER. ACCORDING TO JOSEPH SMITH, THIS IS A PRINCIPLE:

Section Four 1839-42, p.156

I will give you one of the Keys of the mysteries of the Kingdom. It is an eternal principle, that has existed with God from all eternity: That man who rises up to condemn other, finding fault with the Church, saying that they are out of the way, while he himself is righteous, then know assuredly, that that man is in the high road to apostasy; and if he does not repent, will apostatize, as God lives. The principle is as correct as the one that Jesus put forth in saying that he who seeketh a sign is an adulterous person; and that principle is eternal, undeviating, and firm as the pillars of heaven; for whenever you see a man seeking after a sign, you may set it down that he is an adulterous man.



THE SAVIOR TOOK MANY OCCASIONS TO POINT OUT THAT THE BEHAVIOR OF THE WICKED PEOPLE (THAT EVENTUALLY PUT HIM TO DEATH) WAS GENERATED BY THE ACTIONS OF WICKED PEOPLE - SPECIFICALLY ADULTERY/SEXUAL SIN. PLEASE READ MATTHEW 12:39 TO SEE WHAT HE HAD TO SAY ABOUT THE SECRET SIN OF THE DAY:

38 ¶ Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

SO, EVEN THE QUEEN OF SHEBA WILL RISE UP IN CONDEMNATION AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF THAT DAY BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT RECOGNIZE THE GREATEST PERSON (EVEN A GOD) EVER TO WALK THE FACE OF THE EARTH. TRUTH IS MAGNETICALLY ATTRACTED TO TRUTH AND TRUTH REPELS ERROR. APPARENTLY, THERE IS A POLARIZING EFFECT TO SEXUAL SIN THAT CAUSES THE ERRANT PERSON TO BECOME BLIND AND CATEGORICALLY REJECT OBVIOUS TRUTH. THE SON OF GOD POINTED THAT OUT - AND IT IS A PRINCIPLE. JOSEPH SMITH DROVE THE POINT HOME IN HIS DISCOURSES AND I WENT ON MY MISSION EXPECTING TO HAVE AN EXPERIENCE SIMILAR IN NATURE.

MY EXPERIENCE;
BRAZIL 1988:

I was a newly-made Zone Leader in Joao Pessoa and was working with Elder Christianson (an excellent artist and servant of God). We were teaching a young family (seven children) about the Joseph Smith story and the Spirit was there in spades. I then turned to the man of the house (cannot remember his name) and asked if he could believe the truth of our statements. He said he could not believe that God could talk to man. I then explained the workings of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22) and that what he was feeling was the Holy Spirit confirming truth to his soul. I knew that he was experiencing that as another scripture came to mind and bore witness to me:

Verily I say unto you, he that is ordained of me and sent forth to preach the word of truth by the Comforter, in the Spirit of truth, doth he preach it by the Spirit of truth or some other way?
18 And if it be by some other way it is not of God.
19 And again, he that receiveth the word of truth, doth he receive it by the Spirit of truth or some other way?
20 If it be some other way it is not of God.
21 Therefore, why is it that ye cannot understand and know, that he that receiveth the word by the Spirit of truth receiveth it as it is preached by the Spirit of truth?
22 Wherefore, he that preacheth and he that receiveth, understand one another, and both are edified and rejoice together.
23 And that which doth not edify is not of God, and is darkness.
24 That which is of God is light; and he that receiveth light, and continueth in God, receiveth more light; and that light groweth brighter and brighter until the perfect day.

Knowing that they knew the truth, but that the mysterious repelling of truth was at work - just as with the man in Philadelphia, I, to the utter confusion and horror of my companion blurted out "What do you know about the law of chastisty?".

They seemed a little confused, so I asked them to open their scriptures to Matthew 12:39 and to read it (while my companion was kicking away at my leg). They read it and then I explained that they must be in violation of that law - otherwise they would know it and declare that Jesus is the Son of God and that he did indeed appear to Joseph Smith in the spring of 1820, as we were teaching it - and as the Holy Ghost was bearing firm witness. I boldly asked them if they had something they would like to share with us.

They both looked nervously at each other and then asked the kids to leave. I was thinking in my head "Now I've done it". The kids left and they quietly told us that they had been 'living in sin' and had all seven children without ever getting married. I was floored - but then proceeded to let them know that before they could receive a deep and abiding witness of the truths that we were teaching, they would have to get married and then we could proceed. We politely bid them a good evening and left with my companion letting me know his agitation over this.

I on the other hand, was more than satisfied in the principle and was able to use it later in another even more poignant occasion while on my mission.

BELEM, BRAZIL
DECEMBER 1989.

While Zone Leader in Belem, a largish city near the mouth of the Amazon River, we were out caroling in the city center park on Christmas Eve, knowing we didn't want to be proselytizing during family time.  It was the first time in "baptism land" that someone actually came up to me on the street, told me he had read the BOM and wanted to be baptized. It floored me. Sure enough, during the first discussion during the JS story (the Spirit was so thick you could cut it with a knife), his best friend burst in the door and told us that we were full of it. I observed the colors he was wearing (red and black - the colors of the d'evil and black magic down there) and told him that he was a wicked and adulterous young man, that he needed to repent and to sit down and shush until we were finished. I pushed bold to the limit - not knowing if his friend we were teaching would be offended to the point he would no longer hear us out. As is usual, the one who shreds is often not given the "prize" of reaping the love of the gospel and its given to another to complete the work. I was transferred within the week. Many months later as I was in the mission home preparing to come back to the States, I was walking through the lobby as the Elders from that city were passing around photos. I asked if I could take a peek. Both those young men were in whites for their baptism. The Lord is merciful - and I then ran into one of the American Elders who followed their progress and they both were serving missions while I was finishing up my degree at BYU. So, I agree, pandering has gotten people almost nowhere. If I sense that someone is not able to endure sound doctrine, I usually go for the jugular. You cannot imagine the amount of damage people like Tal Bachman have done in the Church. I got on a forum (apostate) he was on and just shredded. One of the worst things that has occurred in the LDS collective perception is that Jesus was a wus. He had amazing compassion and sympathy when people were in a repentant and humble spirit. When he sensed their intentions were evil - whoa!.

Last of all, some words from Orson Scott Card, that I have modified slightly - and live by and judge by:

HYPOCRISY BY THOSE WHO WANT TO CHANGE GOD’S COMMANDMENTS TO FIT THEIR OWN SELFISH WANTS

The teachings of the Lord are clear in regard to the way we must deal with sinners. Christ treated them with compassion -- as long as they confessed that their sin was a sin. Only when they attempted to pretend that their sin was righteousness did he harshly name them for what they were: fools, hypocrites, sinners. Hypocrites because they were unwilling to change their behavior and instead attempted to change the law to fit it; fools because they thought that deceiving an easily deceivable society would achieve the impossible goal of also deceiving God. These are they who are “kicking against the pricks” and “fighting against the Saints of God”. Joseph Smith taught that it is never enough to physically leave the body of the Church and then leave the Saints alone. You can leave the Church, but the Church never leaves you -- because immutable truth is just that, immutable. It will gnaw at you at every turn and every choice in life until you either bow the knee and confess Christ as your Savior or raise your fist to heaven and curse God and wish to die because of your defiance at the failing to give heed to saving laws and ordinances which can bring peace and lasting joy.

The Church has plenty of room for individuals who are struggling to overcome their temptation and bad behavior. But for the protection of the Saints and the good of the persons themselves, the Church has no room for those who, instead of repenting of gross sin, wish it to become an acceptable behavior in the society of the Saints. They are wolves in sheep's clothing, preaching meekness while attempting to devour the flock, or their families, etc.

No act of violence is ever appropriate to protect Christianity from those who would rob it of its meaning. None of us are without sin -- the casting of stones is not our duty or our privilege. All that must ever be done to answer them is to declare the truth, and to deny them the right to call themselves Latter-day Saints while proclaiming their false doctrine. Even as Christ freed from her accusers the woman taken in adultery, he told her, Go and sin no more.

Quote attributed to Orson Scott Card with modification by myself.

ARCHAELOGICAL PROOF OF BETHLEHEM

A few things I thought were interesting.....  Melech (Mulek?) means king in hebrew; which is similar in form to "melchizedek" or 'mulek zedek' which means 'king of righteousness' with 'zedekiah' meaning 'righteous one'.   I would love to speak and read/write hebrew fluently one day.  I am off to a slow start at this point....

Here is the article:

Ancient Bethlehem seal found; first reference to city outside Bible

A clay bulla, or seal, inscribed with the name Bethlehem, the only known ancient reference to the city found outside the Bible. (Israel Antiquities Authority / May 23, 2012)

By Thomas H. Maugh II

May 23, 2012, 12:04 p.m.

Israeli archaeologists digging near the city of Jerusalem have discovered an ancient clay bulla, about 2,700 years old, bearing the name Bethlehem. The artifact is the only known ancient reference to the city of Jesus' birth found outside the Bible, experts said. The find shows not only that the city existed, but that it probably also had a thriving commercial trade.
A bulla is a piece of clay used to make an impression in wax, sealing a document. The wax was intended to show the integrity of the document once it reached its final destination. The bulla is generally impressed with the name of the person who sent the document.
The bulla has three lines of text. The first says "in the seventh;" the second says Bethlehem; and the third has the letter "ch," which was probably the last letter of melech, the word for king. "It seems that in the seventh year of the reign of a king (it is unclear if the king referred to here is Hezekiah, Manasseh or Josiah), a shipment was dispatched from Bethlehem to the king in Jerusalem," said archaeologist Eli Shukron, director of the excavation. The bulla itself is what is known as a "fiscal bulla," one used to seal tax shipments to the kingdom of Judah.
"This is the first time the name Bethlehem appears outside the Bible, in an inscription from the First Temple period, which proves that Bethlehem was indeed a city in the kingdom of Judah, and possibly also in earlier periods," Shukron said.
The dig itself is somewhat controversial because it is being conducted in a national park in the Jerusalem suburb of Silwan, known to Jews as the City of David. The excavation is funded by the Ir David Foundation, which seeks to populate the Palestinian neighborhood of Silwan with Jewish settlers, claiming a link to antiquity.
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FORNICATION AND MONEY - A LOOK INTO WHERE THE TWO PILLARS OF OUR MODERN DEPRAVED SOCIETY COME FROM

Well, my friend Darin the Linguist comes through yet one more time in a fascinating little jaunt down the historical lane. He ties where the Romans got the seed money for their empire from and how the (unholy...) Roman empire became the more modern incarnation of the whore of all the earth, Babylon.

I love how this guy puts it all together into a neat little package. I hope you enjoy this as much as I did - and hope that your focus is not on the pursuit of either of these two things as the train the great whore has been riding is about to derail and make an end to quite the long run she has had....:

And, now, for the Main Horrible Crime Against Mankind, that was committed by those who began the City of Rome.

Those Founders of Rome came to understand that they could collect a Multiple of the Gold Coins that they collected in the Forum if, after the Western European Merchants, with their Cargoes, had exited out from the Forum, under the Fornix Exit Gate, they could have a Large Hotel, that they built, on the west side of the Apian Way Road, just after those Merchants had exited out from under the Fornix Exit Gate, where, on the many balconies of that Large Hotel they could have large numbers of women, calling down to those Merchants, that they had the best Hotel Accommodations in Italy, there, with the Finest Food, the Finest Most Comfortable Furniture, the Best Entertainment, etc., etc., in Italy, to get those Merchants to stop, and to rest there, before continuing on for the rest of their long journey to the South End of the Italian Peninsula.

That large “Hotel” was built there. And, since it was there, right next to the Fornix Exit Gate, it too was given the name of it being, “the Fornix.” And, it did become the source of a Multiple of the Gold Coins that the Romans collected in the Forum, which became the Main Source of that Large Volume of Income of the Gold Coins from Babylon that enabled those “Founders of Rome” to establish their “Roman Empire,” that has had the dominating effect that it has had on the Culture of the People of Europe and of the World until this time.

But, now, for the terrible Evil against Mankind, that was done there.

If a person looks up, in most Dictionaries, the origin of the word for the “sin” of “fornication,” most Dictionaries will give the origin of that word from the name, “the Fornix,” of that large Main “Hotel,” that the Ancient Romans built. That is, it might have been the Largest House of Prostitution that had ever been built, in the History of the World, maybe, even, down until the present time.

In The Revelation, Chapters 17 and 18, the word, “fornication,” which word came from those Romans’ Largest House of Prostitution in History, till that time, is used 6 times in those two Chapters.]


However, THE ENTIRE CONCEPT OF THE WORLD’S “MONEY,” COMES TO THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD, TODAY, FROM THE WAY THAT THE ANCIENT ROMANS, WHO ESTABLISHED THEIR CITY OF ROME, WERE ALSO THE ESTABLISHERS OF THE WAY THAT ALMOST ALL OF THE WORLD HAS COME TO HAVE ALMOST ALL OF THEIR POLITICS OPERATE, AT THIS TIME.

The question can come up of, “What was it that the Apostle, John the Revelator, meant, when he wrote, in The Revelation 17:5,

And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH?”

and in 18:19, where he said:

“for in one hour is she made desolate?”


It has seemed, to Commentators on this, throughout History, that an identification of that “MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH,” is made, in relation to the City of the Ancient Romans, in The Revelation 17:9, with:

9 And here is the mind that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

and in 17:18,where it is said:

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.


[One thing that is obvious to everyone in the World, about one “ignorance” that the Founders of Ancient Rome had, is that they thought that there were only 10 “Months” in a year. The word, “Month,” is an expression for how long it takes for the “Moon” to “spin around” the Planet Earth. It does that 12 times a year, each time of which is called a, “Month,” in Modern English, perhaps, a “Moonth,” in our Ancestral Anglo-Saxon.

So, to the Ancient Romans their word, “December,” meant the “10th” Month, “November,” meant the “9th” Month, “October,” meant the “8th” Month, and, “September,” meant the “7th” Month. When the Ancient Roman Emperors realized that they could not operate successfully, militarily, in Italy, against the Superior Military Operations of the North Europeans, and that those Roman Military Dictators needed to move their Military Headquarters out of Italy and over to Byzantium, they copied so many of the things that the North Europeans did, including the utilization among them of the fact that there are 12 Months in a year, by naming two of the Summer Months for those first Roman Emperors, Julius Caesar, and Augustus Caesar, the origin of the names, “July” and “August,” for those two Summer Months.]

The name of the Ancient Romans for the First Month, in the Summer, was for the primary ancient pagan goddess of the Romans, for which they used the name, “Juno,” the origin of the English word for the name of that Month, “June.”

The Ancient Roman Military Dictators operated their Military by the practice that, if a man would risk his life to go out to kill, according to the dictates of that Military Dictator, in exchange for a small “solid” Gold Coin, that man was given the name that he was a “solid-ier” of that Military Dictator, (the origin of the English word, “soldier”).

The Ancient Pagan Romans had ancient pagan Idols that they worshipped, in relation to their ancient pagan god and goddesses. One place where they worshipped an Idol of their pagan goddess Juno was near to the Fortress, on the north side of Rome, where the Solid-iers of Rome were stationed, to protect Rome against attackers.

So many in the populations of the Northern Europeans were so terribly offended at the Filthiness of the Lives of the Romans, that they destroyed the Decency of Life for so many of the male Merchants that were involved in that “Gold-Coin-Source Trade,” between Northern Europe and the South of Italy, that went through Rome, that so many of the People of Northern Europe wished so much that it would be possible, somehow, to destroy Rome. However, Rome was a long way away from Northern Europe; and, if the North Europeans were ever going to be able to get a large enough Military Force to the vicinity of Rome, so that it would be able to destroy Rome’s horrible Large House of Prostitution, it was understood that that attacking Army was going to need to be most clever in order to be able to get near enough to that horrible Large House of Prostitution in order to be able to do that.

However, eventually, one large Attacking Army had been able to secretly sneak up so close to that Fortress, that was there to stop Attacks against Rome, that it was almost ready to attack and destroy that Fortress and the “Army of Guards” that were in it, that they would have, then, been able to go to the south side of Rome and also destroy Rome’s horrible Large House of Prostitution.

However, just as that large attacking Army was sneaking though the last open space, before getting to that Fortress, it happened that that open space was a yard that was next to the place where the ancient pagan Romans worshipped their ancient pagan goddess, for which they used the name, Juno. And, it just happened that in the yard, that was in that final open space, there were a large flock of geese that had been put there. Then it happened that as that large attacking Army was trying so silently to sneak up close enough to that Fortress, so that they could attack it, while its Army of Guards were still mostly asleep, that flock of geese started cackling, at that those who in that Army of those Attackers. When that happened that cackling sound woke up some of those Guards, who, then, woke up all of the rest of that Army of Guards, who, from their Fortress, threw spears and shot down arrows, etc. at those Attackers. in such a way that they were able to stop that Attack.

After that Attack was defeated the talking began that, “That yard where those Geese are is the yard of the place where we worship our pagan goddess Juno. Those are the geese of our pagan goddess, Juno. Therefore, it was our pagan goddess, Juno, who ‘WARNED’ our Guards, through her geeses’ cackling, that woke up our Guards and stopped that Attack on the way that we do things here in Rome. THEREFORE, FROM NOW ON, LET’S CALL OUR PAGAN GODDESS JUNO, ‘JUNO THE WARNER.’”

One sees the basis of the Ancient Latin word for, “warn,” in the English word, “ad-monit-ion.” The, “monit” part of that word is the basis of the Ancient Latin word for, “warn.” Therefore, the Ancient Romans began calling their ancient pagan goddess, Juno, by the longer name, “Juno Moneta,” Ancient Latin for, “Juno the Warner.”

The point of this is that when the Romans began using some of all of that Babylonian Gold that they had, for them to begin “minting” their own Gold Coins, they did a lot of that minting in a place where they had a huge Idol of their pagan goddess, Juno Moneta. So, they began calling that place, that was their, “Mint,” their, “Moneta.” And, then, also, they began calling the Gold Coins that they “minted” there by that same name. And, those two names have continued in the Modern Latin Language of Spanish as, “una moneda,” which is the way that, “a coin,” is said in modern Spanish, and “la moneda,” which is the way that the expression, “the mint,” is said, in modern Spanish.

The French Language was different enough from Ancient Latin that the word, “moneda,” in Latin, came out as, “moneie,” in French. And, that French word, “moneie,” is the origin of our English word, “money.”

“What is a name that could be used for the ancient pagan ‘Culture” of Rome?” As they developed their “Ancient Roman Empire,” based upon the way that they “controlled life,” with the “monetas” (coins) of the Ancient Romans, among the populations of Southwest Europe, which area they made into their “Empire,” they did that with what most of the World would designate as a number of “evils.” One of what most people would call, “evils,” is that, when they so extended that Ancient Empire of theirs, it was estimated that about ½ of the people that made up the population that were the Subjects of those Roman Emperors were, “Slaves.” A “slave woman” has no ability to refuse when the Master who owns her decides that she will be sold to do prostitution services, at the behest of that Roman Master of hers.

And, so, since the “Culture of Money” of the Ancient Pagan Romans, that spread throughout the World, came from the Ancient Pagan Romans, and that Roman name for it continues, from the name of the main Ancient Pagan Goddess of the Ancient Romans, and since so much of the ancient Culture of the Ancient Pagan Romans came from the way that those Ancient Pagan Romans dealt with Mankind, through that which was named for their Ancient Pagan Goddess, Juno Moneta, it seems that the Apostle, John the Revelator, is speaking about that “continuation,” until this time, of that Culture of Rome, the Culture of Rome’s Main Pagan Goddess, Juno Moneta, “Money,” as he speaks about, “MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH,” that, “in one hour is she made desolate.”

It will literally take one hour (not 22 years in Kolob's reckoning) to wipe it all out. CAN'T WAIT..... I would like God's Millennial economy to take over and to finish raising my kids and grand kids in a society not centered on that garbage. There is almost no way to escape it now - EVEN IN THE CHURCH, WE HAVE RUN NEARLY 100% AMOK - but when it all comes crashing down, some of our Lamanite brothers and folks from the 10 Tribes who have lived without the constraints of our greed-centered world will be part of the solution in showing the way. I suspect that the Sealed Portion of the Book of Mormon will hold the rest of the key. They did something right to make it last for over 300 years.

THEY WILL THIRST AFTER THE BLOOD OF EVERY MAN

HAD TO RE-POST THIS CLASSIC THAT I WROTE QUITE A BIT EARLIER IN THE BLOG.

I HAD ONE OF THOSE DAYS WITH MY MANAGER AT WORK - WHO IS, SHALL WE SAY, OF A DIFFERENT PERSUASION THAN I. AND WHILE THAT IS HIS CHOICE - AND I WOULD FIGHT FOR HIS RIGHT TO HAVE THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE AS HE WOULD DO, I FIND MYSELF FEELING MYSELF CONSTANTLY AT ODDS WITH THE MAN AND BEGIN TO WONDER WHAT THE ANTAGONISM IS RELATED TO. NO ONE ELSE IN THE GROUP IS RECEIVING "SPECIAL TREATMENT". I CALL BEING SANDUSKIED.... IS THIS SPECIAL TREATMENT DUE TO A REAL PROBLEM WITH MY WORK OR WORK ETHIC - OR A PROBLEM WITH MY VALUE SET AND WHAT DRIVES IT? I FELT THE NEED TO GET ON MY KNEES AND ONCE AGAIN PRAY FOR SOME RELIEF - FOR GOD TO WEIGH US BOTH IN THE BALANCE (BOTH HIS CHILDREN AND DESERVING OF BLESSINGS ACCORDING TO OUR DESIRES AND QUALIFICATIONS) AND DELIVER SPEEDY JUDGEMENT. MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT GOD IS FAITHFUL AS INDICATED IN D&C 71:5-11 (CLICK LINK)

READ ON. AND IF YOU ENJOYED THIS, THERE IS MORE WHERE THAT CAME FROM....
THE GOOD STUFF IS IN THE ARCHIVES.....

I had to work all weekend. Saturday night was spent on a lonely engineering watch with a Jewish friend and we engaged in some great conversation where we shared doctrines of our respective faiths. All of his doctrines are 100% compatible with mine - and shared some mind enlarging feelings on the nature of our spirits and the nature of God and the heavens. We have a fantastic relationship where we just share things as God intended - no contention.
I then had to work on the Sabbath (today) where another co-worker came up (a nice guy - but who has the very appearance/demeanor of what I always have thought the devil himself would look like; dashing good looks with dark hair and the required goatee, a great orator, conceited, self-assured to a fault, with little or no humility, and dark and cold penetrating eyes) and proceeded to hack away at organized religion and proceeded to erroneously tell me what my beliefs are. His name is Daemon and during the course of the conversation, I have to admit, I got things wrong with the pronunciation of his name and 'accidentally' dropped the a (my wife censured me for having done it). Things got a little tense when he began an assault on the Prophet and on the nature of the Holy Ghost. I clearly warned him to watch his words as they were being recorded and he would be "weighed in the balance" over them. Mostly, I have great forebearance with these types of folks and know that mostly, they operate out of ignorance and the wicked traditions of their fathers. It was the same genre of spirit that put our Lord and the Prophet to death because of the inability of the recipients to handle the truth. It is my burden to attract these types and, hopefully with the Spirit, set them on a course to doctrinal correctness. I fear they will have to suffer many things before they are humble enough to even begin to have ears to hear sound principle.

The last one I dealt with (several years ago at work) was literally gnashing his teeth in my face and I warned him against what he was doing - that after a bruising railing against my "stupidity" and "naivety" for believing in God, I was compelled to tell him that 'he would rue the day' (he had been so crass against his maker) and that "in his extremity, he would feel after his Maker". I had no idea, and in such a short order, how prophetic those words would be after getting down on my knees right there in the office after all had left and asking for some blessed relief. He, at that time, was making plans to retire a few short months later. After our very heated conversation (where I thought one of us might get escorted to the door due to the tenor and intensity of the exchange), a few days later, he developed a throat condition where for three or four weeks all he could do was croak. I no longer had to endure his withering anti-God rhetoric that had been building in intensity. He seemed to get a little better but never quite shook that condition until he went to the doctor the day before his retirement. When he got the results back, it was systemic cancer. In his extremity over the next few months, he came to know his Maker. It was sad to hear the progress over the months as he tried in vain to fight it and finally succombed. I e-mailed him at times (near the end) admonishing him to invite the Elders into his house to bless him to live (and maybe to have the teachings of heaven distill on his earthly mind to better prepare him for crossing over) but I think that work will have to continue on the other side when he is ready.

So, I dedicate this post to Gene who might have better spent his time asking thoughtful questions (to someone who has no fear of letting it all hang out) in preparation to meeting his Maker, the Father of us all. Time is short - I can feel it. Now is the time to prepare to meet God. May we all have grace and divine direction to that end is my prayer in Jesus' name, Amen.

Something from one of my favorite authors on seeking after truth and taking some damage over it, by those who cannot endure sound doctrine due to their wicked and adulterous natures:

Persecution and hatred by those who love not the truth are a legacy bequeathed by the Saviour to all His followers; for He said they should be hated of all men for His name's sake. (JD 7:42)



At the time of the restoration of the Gospel, the Prophet Joseph Smith said:



It seems as though the adversary was aware, at a very early period of my life, that I was destined to prove a disturber and an annoyer of his kingdom; else why should the power of darkness combine against me? Why the opposition and persecution that arose against me, almost in my infancy?

Some few days after I had this vision, I happened to be in company with one of the Methodist preachers, who was very active in the before mentioned religious excitement; and, conversing with him on the subject of religion, I took occasion to give him an account of the vision which I had had. I was greatly surprised at his behavior; he treated my communication not only lightly, but with great contempt, saying it was all of the devil, that there were no such things as visions or revelations in these days; that all such things had ceased with the apostles, and that there would never be any more of them.

I soon found, however, that my telling the story had excited a great deal of prejudice against me among professors of religions, and was the cause of great persecution, which continued to increase; and though I was an obscure boy, only between fourteen and fifteen years of age, and my circumstances in life such as to make a boy of no consequence in the world, yet men of high standing would take notice sufficient to excite the public mind against me, and create a bitter persecution; and this was common among all the sects@all united to persecute me. (P. of G. P., Joseph Smith 2:20-22)



True Gospel principles have always brought trouble to prophets, patriarchs and apostles. People didn't have room for [28] new truth. They were content with a few pebbles of information, rather than accept new outcroppings and boulders of greater knowledge.



But even more than just opposing new knowledge, many people are led by an evil influence to actually fight against new knowledge from God. Brigham Young noted this battle between good and evil:



Wicked men, Satan, and all the powers of hell and hate are at war with every holy principle that God wishes to place in the possession of his children. (JD 8:13)



It is clear that the devil is opposed to the principles and doctrines of the Gospel more than the Church itself. The Prophet Joseph exclaimed:



This generation is as corrupt as the generation of the Jews that crucified Christ; and if He were here today, and should preach the same doctrine He did then, they would put Him to death. (TPJS, p. 328)



And on another occasion he said:



"It is thought by some that our enemies would be satisfied with my destruction; but I tell you that as soon as they have shed my blood, they will thirst for the blood of every man in whose heart dwells a single spark of the spirit of the fullness of the Gospel. The opposition of these men is moved by the spirit of the adversary of all righteousness. It is not only to destroy men, but every man and woman who dares believe the doctrines that God hath inspired me to teach in this generation." Such were the words of the Prophet Joseph Smith to the Nauvoo Legion on the 18th of June 1844. ("Rise and Fall of Nauvoo," B. H. Roberts, Contributor VIII:12, Oct. 1887, p. 441)



[29] A true Christian, or a true Mormon, will often arouse some enmity because his strong beliefs in doctrine and principles are not in conformity with the rest of society. Jesus knew this and made the following promise:



If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; . . . (John 15:18-20)



King Solomon seemed to understand the nature of the opposition by saying, "The wicked watcheth the righteous and seeketh to slay him." (Ps 37:32)



Since the devil is opposed to truth, he causes trouble, false rumors, suspicion and eventually persecution to come upon the true followers of Christ. The Prophet Joseph observed this:



The enemies of this people will never get weary of their persecution against the Church, until they are overcome. I expect they will array everything against me that is in their power to control, and that we shall have a long and tremendous warfare. He that will war the true Christian warfare against the corruptions of these last days will have wicked men and angels of devils, and all the infernal powers of darkness continually arrayed against him. When wicked and corrupt men oppose, it is a criterion to judge if a man is warring the Christian warfare. (DHC 5:140)



Brigham Young noted:



As the kingdom of God increased upon the earth, so would the power of the enemy increase in like manner, to keep pace with it. (JD 2:249)



[30] It may be observed today that most of those who are rejected by society, cast out of their honorable positions, and considered evil, probably have some truth with them. Either they are very evil or they are defending true principles.



Consider the following comparison: If Billy Graham were really teaching the Gospel as Jesus taught it, he would be mobbed and driven-just as the disciples of Jesus were. If Joseph Smith taught the Gospel of Jesus Christ, as the scriptures declare, then he would be persecuted and mobbed-and he was. They both claimed to be followers of Christ, yet only one received much persecution. This opposition from the world is not for belief and reading the Bible, but because of the difference in the doctrines they taught. It is important, then, to be well informed on the doctrines of the Church, more so than the history of the Church.

STATISTICAL PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS

This blog topic has been a long time in coming. I have said that I have this "proof" over and over (to my 'intellectual' friends, mostly) and now I will give my highly personal take on how I have this proof.

This will take a long time to get all down so you will have to check back over time....

"THEY WILL THIRST FOR THE BLOOD OF EVERY MAN...."

I had to work all weekend. Saturday night was spent on a lonely engineering watch with a Jewish friend and we engaged in some great conversation where we shared doctrines of our respective faiths. All of his doctrines are 100% compatible with mine - and shared some mind enlarging feelings on the nature of our spirits and the nature of God and the heavens. We have a fantastic relationship where we just share things as God intended - no contention.
I then had to work on the Sabbath (today) where another co-worker came up (a nice guy - but who has the very appearance/demeanor of what I always have thought the devil himself would look like; dashing good looks with dark hair and the required goatee, a great orator, conceited, self-assured to a fault, with little or no humility, and dark and cold penetrating eyes) and proceeded to hack away at organized religion and proceeded to erroneously tell me what my beliefs are. His name is Daemon and during the course of the conversation, I have to admit, I got things wrong with the pronunciation of his name and 'accidentally' dropped the a (my wife censured me for having done it). Things got a little tense when he began an assault on the Prophet and on the nature of the Holy Ghost. I clearly warned him to watch his words as they were being recorded and he would be "weighed in the balance" over them. Mostly, I have great forebearance with these types of folks and know that mostly, they operate out of ignorance and the wicked traditions of their fathers. It was the same genre of spirit that put our Lord and the Prophet to death because of the inability of the recipients to handle the truth. It is my burden to attract these types and, hopefully with the Spirit, set them on a course to doctrinal correctness. I fear they will have to suffer many things before they are humble enough to even begin to have ears to hear sound principle.

The last one I dealt with (several years ago at work) was literally gnashing his teeth in my face and I warned him against what he was doing - that after a bruising railing against my "stupidity" and "naivety" for believing in God, I was compelled to tell him that 'he would rue the day' (he had been so crass against his maker) and that "in his extremity, he would feel after his Maker". I had no idea, and in such a short order, how prophetic those words would be. He, at that time, was making plans to retire a few short months later. After our very heated conversation (where I thought one of us might get escorted to the door due to the tenor and intensity of the exchange), a few days later, he developed a throat condition where for three or four weeks all he could do was croak. I no longer had to endure his withering anti-God rhetoric that had been building in intensity. He seemed to get a little better but never quite shook that condition until he went to the doctor the day before his retirement. When he got the results back, it was systemic cancer. In his extremity over the next few months, he came to know his Maker. It was sad to hear the progress over the months as he tried in vain to fight it and finally succombed. I e-mailed him at times (near the end) admonishing him to invite the Elders into his house to bless him to live (and maybe to have the teachings of heaven distill on his earthly mind to better prepare him for crossing over) but I think that work will have to continue on the other side when he is ready.

So, I dedicate this post to Gene who might have better spent his time asking thoughtful questions (to someone who has no fear of letting it all hang out) in preparation to meeting his Maker, the Father of us all. Time is short - I can feel it. Now is the time to prepare to meet God. May we all have grace and divine direction to that end is my prayer in Jesus' name, Amen.

Something from one of my favorite authors on seeking after truth and taking some damage over it, by those who cannot endure sound doctrine due to their wicked and adulterous natures:

Persecution and hatred by those who love not the truth are a legacy bequeathed by the Saviour to all His followers; for He said they should be hated of all men for His name's sake. (JD 7:42)



At the time of the restoration of the Gospel, the Prophet Joseph Smith said:



It seems as though the adversary was aware, at a very early period of my life, that I was destined to prove a disturber and an annoyer of his kingdom; else why should the power of darkness combine against me? Why the opposition and persecution that arose against me, almost in my infancy?

Some few days after I had this vision, I happened to be in company with one of the Methodist preachers, who was very active in the before mentioned religious excitement; and, conversing with him on the subject of religion, I took occasion to give him an account of the vision which I had had. I was greatly surprised at his behavior; he treated my communication not only lightly, but with great contempt, saying it was all of the devil, that there were no such things as visions or revelations in these days; that all such things had ceased with the apostles, and that there would never be any more of them.

I soon found, however, that my telling the story had excited a great deal of prejudice against me among professors of religions, and was the cause of great persecution, which continued to increase; and though I was an obscure boy, only between fourteen and fifteen years of age, and my circumstances in life such as to make a boy of no consequence in the world, yet men of high standing would take notice sufficient to excite the public mind against me, and create a bitter persecution; and this was common among all the sects@all united to persecute me. (P. of G. P., Joseph Smith 2:20-22)



True Gospel principles have always brought trouble to prophets, patriarchs and apostles. People didn't have room for [28] new truth. They were content with a few pebbles of information, rather than accept new outcroppings and boulders of greater knowledge.



But even more than just opposing new knowledge, many people are led by an evil influence to actually fight against new knowledge from God. Brigham Young noted this battle between good and evil:



Wicked men, Satan, and all the powers of hell and hate are at war with every holy principle that God wishes to place in the possession of his children. (JD 8:13)



It is clear that the devil is opposed to the principles and doctrines of the Gospel more than the Church itself. The Prophet Joseph exclaimed:



This generation is as corrupt as the generation of the Jews that crucified Christ; and if He were here today, and should preach the same doctrine He did then, they would put Him to death. (TPJS, p. 328)



And on another occasion he said:



"It is thought by some that our enemies would be satisfied with my destruction; but I tell you that as soon as they have shed my blood, they will thirst for the blood of every man in whose heart dwells a single spark of the spirit of the fullness of the Gospel. The opposition of these men is moved by the spirit of the adversary of all righteousness. It is not only to destroy men, but every man and woman who dares believe the doctrines that God hath inspired me to teach in this generation." Such were the words of the Prophet Joseph Smith to the Nauvoo Legion on the 18th of June 1844. ("Rise and Fall of Nauvoo," B. H. Roberts, Contributor VIII:12, Oct. 1887, p. 441)



[29] A true Christian, or a true Mormon, will often arouse some enmity because his strong beliefs in doctrine and principles are not in conformity with the rest of society. Jesus knew this and made the following promise:



If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; . . . (John 15:18-20)



King Solomon seemed to understand the nature of the opposition by saying, "The wicked watcheth the righteous and seeketh to slay him." (Ps 37:32)



Since the devil is opposed to truth, he causes trouble, false rumors, suspicion and eventually persecution to come upon the true followers of Christ. The Prophet Joseph observed this:



The enemies of this people will never get weary of their persecution against the Church, until they are overcome. I expect they will array everything against me that is in their power to control, and that we shall have a long and tremendous warfare. He that will war the true Christian warfare against the corruptions of these last days will have wicked men and angels of devils, and all the infernal powers of darkness continually arrayed against him. When wicked and corrupt men oppose, it is a criterion to judge if a man is warring the Christian warfare. (DHC 5:140)



Brigham Young noted:



As the kingdom of God increased upon the earth, so would the power of the enemy increase in like manner, to keep pace with it. (JD 2:249)



[30] It may be observed today that most of those who are rejected by society, cast out of their honorable positions, and considered evil, probably have some truth with them. Either they are very evil or they are defending true principles.



Consider the following comparison: If Billy Graham were really teaching the Gospel as Jesus taught it, he would be mobbed and driven-just as the disciples of Jesus were. If Joseph Smith taught the Gospel of Jesus Christ, as the scriptures declare, then he would be persecuted and mobbed-and he was. They both claimed to be followers of Christ, yet only one received much persecution. This opposition from the world is not for belief and reading the Bible, but because of the difference in the doctrines they taught. It is important, then, to be well informed on the doctrines of the Church, more so than the history of the Church.

FULFILLMENT OF LATTER DAY JOSEPH SMITH PROPHECIES

I thought this site was worthy of re-posting.

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/people/joseph_smith/prophesies.html

There are many misinformed and outright wicked and adulterous out there that have attempted to write Joseph off as a false prophet. While he had many opinions that can be disputed (as anyone with the gift will attest exists - personal opinions that are just that), his prophecies are steady and sure just as all the prophets' utterances in the Old/New Testaments. I would give ALOT to spend an hour with the man. I believe him to be one of the greats with Abraham, Job, Isaiah and Enoch - Enoch because he was such a great leader of people. Abraham because of the some of the tests he was asked to pass through in his short mortal probation. Isaiah for the gift of visions and prophecy that he was bestowed with. Job for having dealt with vipers who called themselves his friends and then hung him out to dry Judas-style.
Considering I have lived several years more and accomplished so much less is humbling. Praise to that man who communed with Jehovah!

BOOK OF MORMON AND THE DNA EVIDENCE LIES

I dedicate this read to my former Scoutmaster who decided to leave the church over DNA evidence - oh, and then decided to leave his wife for another woman. OR did I get that wrong?? Sorry, it was commit adultery and then use the whole hokey DNA thing as a convenient excuse to make a clean escape from the truth.....without the searing conscience eating away at you quite so hard - at least until the final smackdown at the judgment bar.
Sometimes, you can just see through people....
I would have some pity or compassion on the guy - but it was a complete and total coup by the lefties and something-for-nothing-throw-your-hands-in-the-air-say-Jesus-I'm-saved-while-ravishing-the-neighbors-wifie BACs- but-that's-okay-cuz-I-found-Jesus.... types that I grew up with. My former Scoutmaster was so well known (and liked by all in the community) that the damage to the Church due to his "defection" was quite far reaching (on a local scale). It could forseeably take decades for the effects to completely wear off. Not unlike William W. Phelps apostasy that ended up with far-reaching consequences for the Prophet Joseph and his incarceration in the oxymoronically-named "Liberty" Jail.....
Here is a great teaser from the attached expose which is going in the blog (and I watched the Nova special on this and came to the same conclusion about the age of our ice sheets/earth and the whole DNA thing, in general - before I read this). Why is it, the more I find out about these supposed global warming 'scientists' and their associated ilk, that I feel I need to take a shower. For the most part - they are complete idiots and goons - oh, and then there is Al Gore.... Who can blame Tipper?? But I digress; read the whole thing and you will know why I feel the way I feel:

For several years scientists have been drilling ice core samples in the arctic regions of the world. The ice accumulating in areas such as Greenland and Antarctica are often several thousand feet deep. There are an alternating series of light and dark rings found every few inches on these ice core samples pulled up from the ice. Scientists believe these rings are are laid down annually. They believe the light rings are indications of winter when the ice accumulates, and the dark rings are indications of summer when the top layer of the ice slightly melts. They have counted hundreds of thousands of these rings in the ice, which they believe proves the earth is at least hundreds of thousands of years old.
The scientists have used these rings to predict global climate changes from the past stretching back what they believe is hundreds of thousands of years. By measuring the thickness of the ice layers, they believe they are able to predict periods of warm and cold periods throughout the earth's history. DNA researchers have used this data in conjunction with their own DNA data to predict migration patterns of people, based upon when they believe "ice ages" occurred.
Many scientists and Christians have gone so far as to say this evidence irrefutably proves the earth is at least hundreds of thousands to millions of years old. Unfortunately for these scientists and Christians, there is a remarkable story, that is now sixty years in the making which completely disproves the entire ice core theory.
During the second world war, an entire squadron of p-38 aircraft en-route from the United States to Europe had to make an emergency landing while over Greenland. The flight crews were rescued, and the planes have been sitting intact on the ice ever since.
Fifty years later, in 1992, a group of individuals thought they could retrieve the aircraft, and restore them. They launched an expedition to Greenland to retrieve the aircraft. When they finally located the planes, they were surprised to find that they were under 263 feet of ice. They then set up camp and bored a hole down through the ice and brought one of the planes up piece by piece. While they bored the hole they found hundreds of these ice rings above the planes. If these layers were annual rings as suggested by the scientists, then there should not have been more than fifty layers of ice above the planes. But there were hundreds of layers. They could not possibly be considered annual layers. In the twelve years since this recovery, an additional sixty feet of ice, and dozens more ice rings have accumulated over the level of their camp in 1992. The layers do little more than count the number of storms that hit the area. These are not tree rings we're counting.
Yet, thousands of scientists have devoted their entire lives toward studying these layers of ice. Uncounted numbers of theories concerning the earth's history have been formulated in part from using this mis-interpreted data. For years, atheists have been beating creation scientists over the head with this ice core theory. Yet now the tables are turned, the atheists now deliberately ignore this evidence promoted by the creation scientists.
The fact that so many scientists could so badly bungle evidence as simple as counting ice rings, does little to bolster one's confidence in other scientists ability to interpret far more complex data such as DNA samples. The more complex the data, the greater the potential for error. The greater the potential for error, the more elaborate a web one must weave.

HERE IS THE ENTIRE POST:

Does DNA evidence Disprove the Book of Mormon? DNA Experts, and Christians Attack the Bible as Well as the Book of Mormon.

Introduction:
One of most basic tenets of the LDS faith maintains that the Book of Mormon is a literal history of the ancestors of the present day American Indian peoples. The Book of Mormon teaches that the ancestors of the present day American Indians were led out of Jerusalem by the wisdom and power of God to live here in this land - the Americas. The Book of Mormon plainly teaches that this land is given unto the present day American Indian peoples for their inheritance. The Book of Mormon teaches that the present day American Indians are the literal descendents of Abraham, that they are a remnant of the House of Israel, and they are God's Covenant people, whom God will redeem in the last days, and they shall be a righteous people.
Joseph Smith said that:
"The Book of Mormon is a record of the forefathers of our western tribes of Indians; having been found through the ministration of an holy angel, and translated into our own language by the gift and power of God, after having been hid up in the earth for the last fourteen hundred years, containing the word of God which was delivered unto them (the ancestors of the American Indians). By it we learn that our western tribes of Indians are descendants from that Joseph who was sold into Egypt, and the land of America is a promised land unto them, and unto it all the tribes of Israel will come, with as many of the Gentiles as shall comply with the requisitions of the new covenant." (History of the Church, volume 1, page 315)
There can be no question as to what Joseph Smith and all the early Church leaders plainly taught concerning who the Native American peoples really are. The American Indians will be the principal builders of the City of New Jerusalem, which will be built here on this continent. There can be no question as to what the Book of Mormon plainly teaches and prophesies concerning the American Indian people, who were anciently called Lamanites. Joseph Smith also emphasized that any man in the church who teaches a Doctrine different than what he taught would be cursed. Yet, in spite of all this, over the last several years, we have been witnessing a remarkable change taking place in the LDS Church; where the learned men in the Church, including B.Y.U. professors and the Church leaders themselves have begun to deny the American Indians as the covenant people of God.
Recently, much attention has been given to the latest attacks against the Mormon religion by certain DNA experts, who claim the American Indians are not descended from the House of Israel as the Book of Mormon teaches, but they allege that they originated from Eastern Siberia. Genetic researches have tested the DNA of several tribes in Eastern Siberia and found them to be related to American Indian tribes. Scientists have formulated a theory that tens of thousands of years ago, there must have been a land bridge which enabled people to travel from Asia to America, and when this land bridge somehow disappeared under water, the people in Asia and the Americas were seperated with no further contact. They have attempted to hold this as proof that the Native Americans have originated in Asia.
Many Christians have celebrated this so-called "DNA evidence" to refute the Book of Mormon. Some Christian ministries have spent large sums of money spreading and promoting this idea among the Mormons. If these Christians came to the realization that their efforts are also attacking the Bible, would they stop doing this and begin looking at the reasons that refute this argument? Or are these people part of a growing "Christian" movement who believe that the Bible is merely an inspirational "story", and not a factual history of the world?
Likewise, the many learned defenders of the Mormon faith, have attempted to reconcile this new DNA evidence into their faith; by claiming the Book of Mormon history only took place in a small area of Central America, and did not involve the entire continents and people as the Book of Mormon teaches. These scholars now say that Joseph Smith was wrong, when he taught that the present day American Indians are the direct descendants of the Lamanites mentioned in the Book of Mormon. Many Mormon scholars now believe the Lamanites merely blended in over the generations with the Siberian "immigrants" who "already" populated the Americas. These learned scholars say this explanation best fits in with the "evidence" provided to us by the geneticists, and they have adopted it as their belief, in spite of it's many contradictions with the Mormon religion. Many LDS Scholars have gone so far as to say the Book of Mormon is not a historical record, but merely an inspirational story written by Joseph Smith.
This rationalization and many other "stories" currently being promoted within the LDS Church, have caused many of the Mormons who are not knowledgeable in the basic precepts of their faith, to lose what little testimony they have left, and turn against their religion.
For years, these prominent men in the LDS Church have been contradicting the teachings of Joseph Smith, and all of the other early Church leaders, who clearly taught that the American Indians truly are of the House of Israel, as taught in the Book of Mormon. Unfortunately, to our knowledge, there is now absolutely no one in the LDS Church who is defending the original teachings of Joseph Smith, and the Book of Mormon on this matter. Not one single Mormon do we know of, is remaining true to their beliefs.
Not many years ago, the church was filled to overflowing with people who believed the American Indians were Lamanites. They believed that not only was Joseph Smith a true prophet of God, but the principles he taught were the literal truth. As for today, one can travel from one end of Mormondom to another, and scarcely find a truly believing member. The vast majority have now come to believe in the opinions of the genetic researchers, BYU professors and Church leaders who teach a totally different doctrine than what Joseph Smith taught. Where did all the true Mormons go? Why did they change?
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Contents:
1. The historical record has always indicated Siberians and American Indians are very similar people, who have been trading and intermarrying with each other for centuries. So what does DNA evidence tell us we shouldn't already know? These theories that American Indians migrated from Siberia to the Americas, rely heavily on "ice age" and "land bridge" theories which requires the earth to be at least hundreds of thousands to millions of years old. For all the Christians who have lauded these theories, how do they reconcile them with their belief in a young earth according to Genesis?
2. The Bible declares that the wisdom of the wise will perish at the coming of the Lord. If Christians realize this then why do they constantly use the theories of men in an attempt to disprove the Book of Mormon?
3. Many geneticists have claimed that they can trace certain genetic markers back through thousands of generations, or tens of thousands of years. They claim through their studies that there are no significant relationships to be found between Jews and American Indians If some Christians do believe in a young earth, and believe we are all descended from one family just over four thousand years ago, how do they reconcile this belief with the theories of the Geneticists? Don't these DNA theories attack the Bible just as much as the Book of Mormon?
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The historical record has always indicated Siberians and American Indians are the same people. So what does DNA evidence tell us we shouldn't already know? These theories that American Indians migrated from Siberia to the Americas, rely heavily on "ice age" and "land bridge" theories which requires the earth to be at least hundreds of thousands to millions of years old. For all the Christians who have lauded these theories, how do they reconcile them with their belief in a young earth according to Genesis?
These genetic researchers have treated the obvious relation between Native American and the Siberian tribes as some sort of revolutionary discovery that no one ever considered before. They claim that during an "ice age" tens of thousands of years ago, a land bridge existed which connected Siberia and Alaska which enabled the Siberian tribes to migrate into the new world. The ice then subsided, filling the oceans with more water and submerging this "land bridge." Over the next thirty thousand years, these now isolated Siberian tribes in Alaska eventually populated the Americas. They claim their DNA research proves that these Siberian tribes are the ancestors of all American Indians. And they say their research from annual ice ring layers taken from ice core samples proves the existence of an "ice age" tens of thousands of years ago. These scientists believe that the Siberian and American tribes have been "isolated" from each other since the loss of this land bridge so many tens of thousands of years ago after this "ice age" receded.
But recorded history tells us a far different story than the one laid out by these so-called scientists. History tells us that the tribes in Siberia, and North America have been trading and intermarrying with each other for many centuries. Whaling boats from the tribes in the Northwest from California to Alaska have been known to travel hundreds of miles across the sea on their hunting trips. Native American tribes have colonized hundreds of remote islands throughout the Canadian Arctic. Some of these islands are accessible only by hundreds of miles of journey by boat. Islands which are far more remote and difficult to reach than Siberia, which is only a journey of about fifty five miles from Alaska. Relative to this, a thousand years ago, the Viking colonists in Greenland encountered Native American tribes already living in the region. Yet Greenland is much more remote and harsh than Siberia.
During the seventeenth through nineteenth centuries, when the Russian Empire expanded it's boundaries eastward into Siberia, the Russian army engaged in armed conflicts with the native tribes in Siberia. It is a story that is strikingly similar to the plight of the American Indian tribes in the United States, during the same time period.
The major case in point is the Chukchi tribe in Eastern Siberia. Much of their traditional coastal lands in Eastern Siberia lie within a short few hundred miles of the American Indian tribes in Alaska. This is the tribe that is most often quoted by geneticists as being the ancestors of the American Indians, that they believe were cut-off and "isolated" by the receding of the land bridge.
At one point during the Chukchi war against the Russian army during the eighteenth century, the entire tribe consisting of some ten-thousand members fled across the Bering straits by boat to spend the winter in Alaska with their Eskimo cousins. They regrouped, and many returned again back to Siberia the following spring to continue their war against the Russians.
One website at http://www.eki.ee/books/redbook/chukchis.shtml gives a short history of the chukchi people in Siberia. This website describes how the the Eskimos, Itelmens, Evens, Kereks, and other tribes were long accustomed to traveling to Chukchi lands in Siberia to speak in the Chukchi language and carry on extensive trading with them. It describes how many of the people in these Alaskan tribes even became Chukchis. It describes how there has always been a lively trade between all the peoples. This website also says that if the Russian government did not enter into a peace treaty with the Chukchis when they did, all the wayward Chukchis would have ended up in Alaska.
The assumptions and theories of these scientists could not contradict the historical record more! All the arctic peoples have been freely traveling, trading and intermarrying with each tribe in both Siberia and North America for more centuries than anyone can possibly know. Their numerous colonies stretch across an enormous arctic region from Siberia to Greenland. There should little doubt in any reasonable person's mind that all of these tribes from Siberia to Greenland, and even across most of the Western Hemisphere are very similar genetically, and are basically all the same people.
It is a very interesting but shocking display of ignorance on the the part of these scientists to suddenly come along and study the DNA of these people in Eastern Siberia, and "discover" that their DNA is similar to the American Indians living across the Bering Straits. It is interesting how they treat this as "evidence" which somehow "disproves" the Book of Mormon.
It is interesting to note how these "scientists" draw an imaginary line down the Bering Straits between Siberia and Alaska, and then ignorantly conclude that that this narrow body of water has kept the sea faring tribes on both sides of the straits in "isolation" from each other since the loss of this supposed "land bridge." This concept of "isolation" is a very important point for these scientists. In order for them to say that American Indians came from Siberia, they must maintain that the Siberian and American tribes have been living in isolation from each other for a very long time. Without this very important point, their theory simply does not hold water.
Everyone reading this article should seriously ask themselves how absurd it is to label the tribes on the west side of the straits as "Siberian" or "Asian," and then treat them as if there is some sort of distinction from the American Indian tribes living on the east side of the straits who are for the most part, the exact same people.
Several times during the twentieth century, dog sleds have even successfully traveled across the Bering Straits when it is frozen in the winter. On a clear day, Siberia can be seen from Alaska.
It is simply a fallacy to believe as these scientists do, that the American and Siberian tribes have remained genetically isolated for tens of thousands of years. It is not reasonable to believe that seafaring American Indians could reach as far as Greenland, yet, never colonize into Siberia. There is absolutely no valid evidence a land bridge ever existed between Alaska and Siberia. The people who made up this land bridge theory had to have a reason for how the American Indians came to be on this continent, and they considered the ancestors of American Indians too primitive and inept, to figure out how to build a boat. In a way it is quite insulting to the intelligence of the Native American People. It was totally unacceptable to them to entertain the idea that they arrived by boat, because it might also provide evidence to support the Book of Mormon. They decided there had to be some connection by land which enabled them to arrive on this continent. Hence the land bridge theory was born. The historical record plainly contradicts the strange beliefs of these scientists. We know for an absolute certainty, that nearly all the Native Americans living in coastal and river regions from Alaska to Peru, had the complete ability to travel by water craft. It is long overdue that this land bridge theory be put to rest.
Mormons should not be surprised and shocked to learn that there are tribes of American Indians living in Siberia any more than they should be surprised and shocked to learn there have been tribes of American Indians living in Greenland. This does absolutely nothing to refute the Book of Mormon in any way.
Scientists have found that the deeper into Asia they go, the less related the people become to American Indians. How did these so called "experts" come to the conclusion, that they originated in the mostly uninhabited areas of eastern Siberia, and then migrated across a "land bridge" to Alaska, then built a huge civilization in Central America thousands of miles away? How did they rule out that it was not the other way around? That they originated in Central and South America, where the bulk of population clearly has it’s base, and then migrated north into North America, and eventually into Eastern Siberia, and mingle with the people there? The Arctic regions of the world are harsh, and for the most part, uninhabitable. There have been mysterious catastrophes there in the past which has destroyed all life in the region. How have the geneticists reversed logic, and rule out that migrations did not begin in the major population centers in Central and South America, and eventually reach as far north as the uninhabited areas of eastern Siberia?
The "ice age" theories also do not hold up to the facts. A member of an anti-Mormon "Christian" ministry wrote to us that the earth is at least four hundred thousand years old, based on ice core evidence.
For several years scientists have been drilling ice core samples in the arctic regions of the world. The ice accumulating in areas such as Greenland and Antarctica are often several thousand feet deep. There are an alternating series of light and dark rings found every few inches on these ice core samples pulled up from the ice. Scientists believe these rings are are laid down annually. They believe the light rings are indications of winter when the ice accumulates, and the dark rings are indications of summer when the top layer of the ice slightly melts. They have counted hundreds of thousands of these rings in the ice, which they believe proves the earth is at least hundreds of thousands of years old.
The scientists have used these rings to predict global climate changes from the past stretching back what they believe is hundreds of thousands of years. By measuring the thickness of the ice layers, they believe they are able to predict periods of warm and cold periods throughout the earth's history. DNA researchers have used this data in conjunction with their own DNA data to predict migration patterns of people, based upon when they believe "ice ages" occurred.
Many scientists and Christians have gone so far as to say this evidence irrefutably proves the earth is at least hundreds of thousands to millions of years old. Unfortunately for these scientists and Christians, there is a remarkable story, that is now sixty years in the making which completely disproves the entire ice core theory.
During the second world war, an entire squadron of p-38 aircraft en-route from the United States to Europe had to make an emergency landing while over Greenland. The flight crews were rescued, and the planes have been sitting intact on the ice ever since.
Fifty years later, in 1992, a group of individuals thought they could retrieve the aircraft, and restore them. They launched an expedition to Greenland to retrieve the aircraft. When they finally located the planes, they were surprised to find that they were under 263 feet of ice. They then set up camp and bored a hole down through the ice and brought one of the planes up piece by piece. While they bored the hole they found hundreds of these ice rings above the planes. If these layers were annual rings as suggested by the scientists, then there should not have been more than fifty layers of ice above the planes. But there were hundreds of layers. They could not possibly be considered annual layers. In the twelve years since this recovery, an additional sixty feet of ice, and dozens more ice rings have accumulated over the level of their camp in 1992. The layers do little more than count the number of storms that hit the area. These are not tree rings we're counting.
Yet, thousands of scientists have devoted their entire lives toward studying these layers of ice. Uncounted numbers of theories concerning the earth's history have been formulated in part from using this mis-interpreted data. For years, atheists have been beating creation scientists over the head with this ice core theory. Yet now the tables are turned, the atheists now deliberately ignore this evidence promoted by the creation scientists.
The fact that so many scientists could so badly bungle evidence as simple as counting ice rings, does little to bolster one's confidence in other scientists ability to interpret far more complex data such as DNA samples. The more complex the data, the greater the potential for error. The greater the potential for error, the more elaborate a web one must weave.
There is no historical evidence in existence, that the earth is older than six thousand years. Many Creation scientists have proven that not only are many of the theories of contemporary science wrong, and totally unsupportable; but they have provided sufficient evidence that these theories were concocted for the express purpose of destroying Christianity. Christians have clearly documented the overwhelming bias against religion in the halls of academia. They provide numerous cases of scientists and professors losing their jobs because they expressed a belief in the Bible, and questioned the validity of the atheists’ theories. These geneticists trying to disprove the Book of Mormon are hardly the unbiased, open minded intellectuals they try so hard to portray themselves as. These geneticists simply have an agenda, and they diligently search for any "evidence" or statistics that can be manipulated to support their agenda.
These geneticists are also making the claim that humans and Chimpanzees are 99.9% the same genetically and should be classified as the same species. They say that humans are nothing more than a sub-species of chimpanzees. How do these Christians honestly reject the geneticists argument on the one hand, and then openly accept and support their posturing against the Book of Mormon on the other hand.
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The Bible declares that the wisdom of the wise will perish at the coming of the Lord. If Christians realize this then why do they constantly use the theories of men in an attempt to disprove the Book of Mormon?
It is written in the Bible that the wisdom of the wise shall perish at the coming of the Lord. The Doctrine and Covenants states that all knowledge shall pass away, save that knowledge which comes from God.
"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this world? Hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe." 1 Cor. 1:18-21.
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Many geneticists have claimed that they can trace certain genetic markers back through thousands of generations, or tens of thousands of years. They claim through their studies that there are no significant relationships to be found between Jews and American Indians If some Christians do believe in a young earth, and believe we are all descended from one family (Noah's) just over four thousand years ago, how do they reconcile this belief with the theories of the Geneticists? Don't these DNA theories attack the Bible just as much as the Book of Mormon?
For anyone who literally believes the Bible to be an accurate and inspired history of the world, both of the Christians and of the Mormons; the claims of these geneticists presents a number of challenges to them. The Bible teaches that the Earth was created about six thousand years ago, and Adam and Eve were our first parents. The Bible teaches us that these were the first two people on the Earth, and there were no other people prior to this time. Adam and Eve had many children, and over the next two millennia the entire earth was populated with people. The Bible also teaches that about 4,000 to 4400 years ago, there was a great flood of water that covered the entire surface of the earth, and every one on earth was drowned save Noah and his family, who were preserved in the ark. After the flood, Noah’s children replenished the earth with people. The Bible teaches that every person now living on the earth, without exception is directly descended from Noah.
The Book of Mormon teaches that about 2600 years ago, God led a number of Israelite people out of Jerusalem, prior to it's destruction and captivity of the Jews by the Babylonians. Led by Lehi, these Israelites came to the Americas, and eventually populated the entire Western Hemisphere with their descendants. These people were the direct descendents of Joseph who was sold into Egypt, and who was the brother of Judah, who is the father of the Jews. The Book of Mormon teaches that the present day American Indians are the direct descendants of these Israelites, who are of the tribe of Manasseh and that great blessings are promised to them in the last days by God.
In contrast, these geneticists maintain that the American Indians migrated into the Americas from Siberia thirty thousand years ago. This attack against the Book of Mormon should be of great concern to any Bible believing Christian, because it attacks the validity of the Bible as well. The geneticists say that certain DNA markers pass from father to son with little change. They claim they can trace these DNA markers back for tens of thousands of years, and thousands of generations, far longer than the Bible teaches how old the earth is. The geneticists claim there is no significant relationship or common ancestry between all the races of people on the earth going back these tens of thousands of years, long before the time of Noah. Yet it is the Christian ministries themselves who are some of the prime supporters and promoters of this so called "evidence."
The Bible records in Genesis Chapter 11, 1 Chronicles Chapter 3 and Matthew Chapter 1, most of the generations between Noah and Christ. Probably around 60 to 80 generations. If we assume that the average generation span in the two thousand years since Christ is about 25 to 35 years, then there is only an additional 60 to 80 generations until the present day. That leaves a total of only about 120 to 160 generations between Noah until the present day. People cannot honestly lay claim to a belief in the Bible, without also believing that all the races and wide variations of men, are directly descended from one family about 4000 years ago.
In spite of this DNA research which many "Christian" ministries now believe in, some Christians still hold the Genesis account in the Bible to be the infallible word of God. All the early Mormon Church leaders considered this account in Genesis to be the gospel truth as well. On the other hand, many atheists do not believe in the Bible, and have carefully crafted their own philosophies with the purpose of refuting the Bible, and destroying many peoples belief in God. As everyone is aware, there has been a war going on for quite some time now between those who believe in God, and those who try to destroy that belief. The fields of science have been one such battleground.
If we believe the Bible is true, that everyone now living on the earth is descended from one man 4,000 years ago, and if we take the claims of these DNA experts to their logical conclusion, then DNA research should be able to prove a common DNA heritage to every man in the world. If they make the claim that they can trace heritage back tens of thousands of years, because certain genetic markers remain little changed over that period of time, then every male in the world should have elements of a common father from four thousand years ago. But there is a very diverse variety found in all the races of people today. This makes the beliefs and motives of the Christians who support these geneticists' theories, contradictory and confusing.
It is no doubt true that certain genetic markers do remain little changed and can be traced from parent to offspring. But given the extremely numerous variations of people present in the world today, using such means to accurately trace a person’s heritage over thousands or even hundreds of generations is a claim that is highly questionable,
If every man in the world has a common father from four thousand years ago, and these genetic markers remain little changed over this length of time, then why are there so many variations in the people that allows them to find distinctions in every race in the world? Why are Christians supporting these geneticists claims that there is no relation between American Indians and other races of people for tens of thousands of years, if everyone in the world had a common father in Noah 4000 to 4400 years ago? What is the Christian's explanation for how the people of the earth have come to be so varied over the generations, and so "unrelated" by geneticists standards?
Lehi came to this continent 2600 years ago, only about 1400 to 1800 years removed from Noah, which is not very long at all by geneticists standards. His children who are now the population of American Indians have remained mostly isolated from the rest of the world ever since. This makes American Indians about the most isolated population in the world. Assuming all these uncountable variations of people in the world today came from one man four thousand years ago, and assuming that variations increase from generation to generation as fast as the Bible suggests it does; then would it not be reasonable to assume that the American Indians so isolated would have developed traits unique to the world, over the past 2600 years?
It is most unfortunate that the Christians proudly point to the work of these geneticists, in an effort to disprove the Book of Mormon, knowing full well what these same geneticists beliefs are concerning the Bible. These geneticists do not believe in the Bible. In order for their theories to work, they cannot accept that every person in the world has a common father in Noah, just over four thousand years ago. In order for their theories to work, they must put their faith in the dubious claim that they can accurately trace the genetic markers of people back tens of thousands of years.
These DNA researchers must completely disregard the account in Genesis; because the Bible records Abraham was born 292 years, and only 9 generations after the flood. Abraham was 58 years old when Noah died, and may even have known Noah personally. One of the basic premises of these DNA theories against the Book of Mormon is that Abraham could not have been related to the rest of the world. The reason being is because these geneticists claim that the present day Jews have a common genetic makeup which is traceable from son to father through the Y-chromosome all the way back to their father Abraham who had his own unique DNA from the rest of the races then living in the world. Yet, if the Bible is true, and Abraham was only nine generations after Noah, then Abraham would still be closely related to everyone then living on the earth.
The Book of Mormon records that Lehi is a descendant of Joseph, while the Jews are descendants of Judas who were both great grandsons of Abraham.
If the Bible is true, it would not be possible for the world to "unrelate" itself by geneticists standards in the approximately 300 years or 9 generations between Noah and Abraham, and then according to geneticists standards maintain a common relation or heritage for each of the 120 to 160 generations of the past 4000 years. In order for the DNA experts' theory to work, the Bible must be thrown out the window alongside the Book of Mormon, and the history of the World must be thrown back tens of thousands of years, in order for the world to "unrelate" itself to the point that would fit the geneticist theories. How do the Christians reconcile this, because the very claims the geneticists are making attempts to disprove their own beliefs in the Bible as well?
For all of you Christians who have bought into this DNA argument in your lifelong attacks against the Book of Mormon, you better be aware of just what you are doing, because you are unwittingly attacking the Bible with your arguments, and contradicting your own beliefs. You either believe the Bible, that the earth was flooded 4400 years ago or you don’t. There is a world of evidence that the flood really happened, you can’t prove there wasn’t a flood. That overwhelming evidence for a worldwide flood blows a major hole in the geneticists’ theories. So if you are a Christian who has bought into the fairy tale that there were nomadic tribes of people wandering the earth 30,000 years before Adam and Eve, and say the Bible is not really history, but was just mythology written down, you better start honestly asking yourself why you even bother to call yourself a Christian.
Likewise the Mormons who have bought into this DNA argument, and are attempting to reconcile these DNA posturings into the fabric of their religion, should take a history lesson from B.H. Roberts. Mr. Roberts tried to reconcile the theory of evolution into the fabric of L.D.S. church doctrine, because he considered evolution too overwhelming to ignore. He eventually lost his testimony in the Church, and became an apostate over the issue. Evolution seems like a foolish reason to reject the Church; considering how preposterous the theory of evolution has come to be regarded by honest people. We are told in both the Bible and the Book of Mormon to not put our trust in the arm of flesh, but to trust in God only, so our doctrines may be sound, and we are not cursed. The Book of Mormon is a precious gift from God, which the world rejects with the same enthusiasm as when the world rejected the Messiah when he walked the earth. There is no known provable fact, no unalterable scientific law which conflicts in any way with anything written in the Book of Mormon. But the Book of Mormon conflicts with petty opinions and philosophies of nearly everyone alive, including most Mormons.
Everyone reading this article should honestly ask themselves which religion is more reasonable and logical, and which is more absurd and contrary to the facts. You can choose to believe in the religion that says humans are descended from chimpanzees millions of years ago, and crossed an imaginary land bridge between continents 30,000 years ago if you want, but don't expect honest people to take you seriously for much longer. The wisdom of the wise will truly be confounded, very shortly.
The American Indians truly are a branch of the House of Israel, and the day is soon coming that the American Indians will be convinced of the truth, which has already gone forth among them, as prophesied in the Book of Mormon. The time will soon come when the hearts of the American Indians will turn to their fathers in the Book of Mormon who prayed so hard for their children of these last days. With so many Mormons now turning themselves away, and rejecting the truth of their religion; the American Indians remain the greatest hope for the future of the Mormon Church.
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