REPOST FROM AN EARLIER POST ON SOCIAL COLLAPSE

My family spent a great Sunday evening over at a family of some friends and we talked about some of this "blog" stuff. I quote the fringie stuff to see where people are at in their faith and ability to believe (what is the less bizarre stuff we will witness in the coming decades), because that is where I find a majority of the truth may lie - stuff that was thrown out because it was too unbelievable to the wicked masses and learned ones who were too intelligent for the 'nonsense'. Here is a quote from the so-called 'White horse' prophecy that has been largely thrown out - which I think we seem to find ourselves in today - to the letter:

"Our nation ... is rent, from center to circumference, with party strife, political intrigues, and sectional interest; ... our merchants are paralyzed, our tradesmen are disheartened, our ... credit ruined, and our states overwhelmed in debt," --Joseph Smith

This family group was one of the few groups of people that didn't give me a collective "glazed-over" look. They will probably make it through it all just fine so long as the basic telestial law and associated commandments are being kept to qualify them. There was a younger couple (with small kids and another on the way) at the gathering and I felt bad that this all might have scared them to some degree. Having lost a child in the night to SIDS - and coming away from that experience not embittered, but knowing with a solid certainty that God is completely in control - I do not feel concerned for the future if I have followed all the counsel of the Lord to the letter and that I am striving to my best possible to keep the commandments as I know them. It really is a lot like child birth that I watched my brave wife endure. There was trepidation knowing a somewhat physically and psychologically challenging event with a known outcome was coming. None of us would ever try and cut that experience short or somehow avoid it out of fear - but we charge on knowing it is how things are supposed to come out (good or bad), knowing the sweet, sweet joy that awaits on the other side of the event.

As in child birth, so is the coming of the Son of Man going to be. A "portent of stormy weather lies ahead" - but we charge on knowing we can raise our sweet innocent ones 'on the other side of the event', in an environment of peace, love and joy punctuated with personal visits by the Savior. I would gladly give myself to have that experience - not as one without hope due to despair and ungodly living, but because of the love of God that I know exists on the other side of sorrow and tragedy; the love I felt the night God saw fit to take our child home. It is exquisite and I would give (give up) anything to live in that environment in perpetuity.

Having said that, I repost this from an earlier thread. This might better be posted as a treatise on the coming (second) civil war in the U.S which will end in the "death and misery of many souls":

"The time will come when the banks of every nation will fall and only two places will be safe where people can deposit their gold and treasure. This place will be the White Horse and England's vaults. A terrible revolution will take place in the land of America, such as has never been seen before; for the land will be left without a Supreme Government, and every specie of wickedness will be practiced rampantly in the land. Father will be against son and son against father; mother against daughter and daughter against mother. The most terrible scenes of bloodshed, murder and rape that have ever been imagined or looked upon will take place. People will be taken from the earth and there will be peace and love only in the Rocky Mountains. This will cause many hundreds of thousands of the honest in heart of the world to gather there, not because they would be Saints, but for safety and because they will be so numerous that you will be in danger of famine, but not for want of seed, time and harvest, but because of so many to be fed. Many will come with bundles under their arms to escape the calamities for there will be no escape except only by escaping and fleeing to Zion. Those that come to you will try to keep the laws and be one with you for they will see your unity and the greatness of your organization.

"The Turkish Empire of the Crescent will be the first power to be disputed, for freedom must be given for the Gospel to be preached in the Holy Land. The Lord took of the best blood of the nations and planted them on the small islands now called England and Great Britain and gave them power in the nations for a thousand years and their power will continue with them that they may keep the balance of power; and they will keep Russia from sweeping her power over the world. England and France are now bitter enemies but they will be allied together and be united to keep Russia from conquering the world. The two popes, Greek and Catholic, will eventually come together in their decline and be united. The Protestant Religions do not know how much they are indebted to Henry VIII for throwing off the Pope's bill and establishing the Protestant faith. He was the only monarch who could do so at that time and he did it because the nation was at his back to sustain him. One of the peculiar features in England is the established Red-coat; a uniform making so remarkable a target to shoot at, and yet they have conquered wherever they have gone. The reason for this will be known to them some day as red is seen in a different color threading through under all history. The lion and the unicorn of England comes from there being so much blood of Israel in the nation. While the terrible things of which I have mentioned are going on, England will be neutral until it becomes so inhuman that she will interfere to stop the shedding of blood and history will be more properly understood. England and France will unite together to make peace, not to subdue the nations. She will find this nation so broken up and so many claiming government, till there will be no reasonable government. Then it will appear to the other nations, or powers, as though England had taken possession of the country. The Black Horse will flee to the invaders and will join them for they have fear of becoming slaves again; knowing that England did not believe in slavery, they will flee to them that they believe will make them safe. Armed with British bayonets, the doings of the Black Horse will be terrible." Here the Prophet said that he could not bear to look longer upon the scenes as shown to him in vision and he asked the Lord to close the scenes.
"Our nation ... is rent, from center to circumference, with party strife, political intrigues, and sectional interest; ... our merchants are paralyzed, our tradesmen are disheartened, our ... credit ruined, and our states overwhelmed in debt," --Joseph Smith

And what about this letter written to someone regarding the topic they discussed with Joseph Smith
Second Great Rebellion (Chicago) Quote

A. Milton Musser papers, LDS Church Archives. It is a letter from
Nephi Packard to A. Milton Musser on July 24, 1896:

"... My brother, Noah Packard, says that he heard the Prophet Joseph
say that the next great (U.S. civil) war after the war of the
rebellion (the Civil War of the 1860's between the North and the
South) would commence in a little town now called Chicago but at that
time it would have grown to be a very large city. And another brother
told me that the Prophet said that the cause of the next great trouble
of the United States would be the depreciation of the currency of the
United States. I believe I have given you all the facts in as short
and concise manner as possible."

Another quote regarding the Civil War itself comes from an interview
by Dr. Poulson with David Whitmer, printed in the Deseret News on
Friday, August 16, 1878:

Question: When will the temple be built in Independence?

Answer: Right after the great tribulation is over

Question: What do you mean by that?

Answer: A civil war more bloody and cruel than the rebellion. It will
be the smashing up of this nation, about which time the second great
work has to be done, a work like Joseph did, and the translation of
the sealed plates and peace all over

WHAT!!! "the next great trouble
of the United States would be the depreciation of the currency of the
United States." How would somebody just think of something like that a put it in their journal? This is happening right now, or in the next couple yrs.


And yet another Prophecy:

The Hancock Prophecy

There will be two great political parties in this country. One will be
called the Republican, and the other the Democrat
party. These two parties will go to war and out of these two parties
will spring another party which will be the
Independent American [sic] Party. The United States will spend her
strength and means warring in foreign lands until other nations will
say, "Let's divide up the lands of the United States," then the people
of the U.S. will unite and swear by the blood of their fore-fathers
that the land shall not be divided. Then the country will go to war,
and they will fight until one half of the U.S. Army will give up, and
the rest will continue to struggle. They will keep on until they are
very ragged and discouraged, and almost ready to give up - when the
boys from the mountains will rush forth in time to save the American
Army from defeat and ruin. And they will say, "Brethren, we are glad
you have come; give us men, henceforth, who can talk with God." Then
you will have friends, but you will save the country when it's [sic]
liberty hangs by a hair, as it were.

- Prophet and presidential candidate Joseph Smith, 19 June 1844, as
recorded in the autobiography of Mosiah Lyman Hancock. See Duane S.
Crowther, Prophecy - Key to the Future, p. 10.

CIVIL WAR STARTING IN CHICAGO - WE JUST GOT THE NEW ROBERT E. LEE

CHECK THIS LINK OUT:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1039849853

HERE IS THE ORIGINAL PROPHECY:

This was a letter from Nephi Packard to A. Milton Musser on July 24, 1896:

"... My brother, Noah Packard, says that he heard the Prophet Joseph say that the next great (U.S. civil) war after the war of the rebellion (the Civil War of the 1860's between the North and the South) would commence in a little town now called Chicago but at that time it would have grown to be a very large city. And another brother told me that the Prophet said that the cause of the next great trouble of the United States would be the depreciation of the currency of the United States. I believe I have given you all the facts in as short and concise manner as possible."

Another quote regarding the Civil War itself comes from an interview by Dr. Poulson with David Whitmer, printed in the Deseret News on Friday, August 16, 1878:

Question: When will the temple be built in Independence?

Answer: Right after the great tribulation is over

Question: What do you mean by that?

Answer: A civil war more bloody and cruel than the rebellion. It will be the smashing up of this nation, about which time the second great work has to be done, a work like Joseph did, and the translation of the sealed plates and peace all over.


AND HERE IS THE FUEL THAT THEY ARE THROWING ON THE FIRE - INCOME TAXES INCREASING BY HALF. THAT IS RICH. INSTEAD OF CUTTING SERVICES BY 1/3, THESE JOKERS ARE GOING TO TAX PEOPLE INTO THE GROUND. WHAT A JOKE!!!! WE ARE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR THE PERFECT STORM OF RIOTING AND GENERAL DISCONTENT THAT LEADS TO SOCIAL CHAOS.

Illinois Income Tax May Jump 50 Percent
Report: Gov. Pat Quinn Wants Tax Hike To Fight Deficit Reporting
Joanie Lum CHICAGO (CBS) ―
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(3/10/2009)
State Faces Bigger Budget Crisis Than Realized (2/4/2009)
Income taxes in Illinois could soon be going up by as much as 50 percent to combat deficits in a difficult state budget.

As CBS 2's Joanie Lum reports, Gov. Pat Quinn is reportedly considering raising taxes to deal with a growing budget deficit.

Quinn has been hinting about the problems in the state budget this year for some time. He gives his first address on the subject next Wednesday, and there is word that income taxes will go up as 50 percent.

The Chicago Tribune reports that Quinn wants to raise the state income tax to 4.5 percent from 3 percent.

Illinoisans have had a lower income tax rate than other states for some time. This would be the first increase in 20 years.

In addition, some business tax breaks would be eliminated, and Quinn promises to tighten state government spending.

Quinn will balance the increase by raising the standard tax exemption up to $6,000 per person from $2,000, to help low- and middle-income families.

The income tax increase could bring in nearly $4 billion. The budget deficit is expected to be more than $9 billion by the summer of 2010.

Taxpayers in Chicago weren't surprised, but many said the timing is poor.

"We already can't afford to pay the taxes – people who have homes and what have you now, so it's going to be really rough," said Nadeja Borras.

"Already, the taxes are pretty high, so it could be a disadvantage for the State of Illinois," said Sara Mirarefi.

But some Chicagoans thought a tax increase might be necessary.

"I think it's about time somebody's got the guts to go in there and say, 'Hey, we have to increase taxes,'" said Jim Kauss. "We have to pay for this. it's not free."


State lawmakers are also talking about raising gasoline taxes to pay for road and bridge construction. Fees on driver's licenses and license plate stickers may also go up.

CBS 2 Political Editor Mike Flannery is talking one-on-one with Gov. Quinn later in the day.
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AND THERE IS MORE. INSTEAD OF CUTTING BACK, THE SOCIALIST PIGS ARE RATCHETING UP THE COST OF LIVING THERE WHILE THE ABILITY TO PAY IS GREATLY REDUCED. VERY SMART....
ONCE MORE THAN 50% OF THE PIGS ARE FEEDING AT THE TROUGH, THEY WILL KEEP VOTING IN MORE SLOP FOR THEMSELVES AND THEN IT NOSE-DIVES IN. HERE IS THE LATEST REBELLION:

Parking Meter Revolt: Frustration Over High Costs Reporting
Jay Levine CHICAGO (CBS) ―
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Chicagoans are so frustrated with broken parking meters and high costs, some are vandalizing the meters.
CBS


They are taking more of your quarters every day. And Chicagoans are in revolt. While some are saying enough by avoiding them, others are taking out their frustrations on the parking meters - literally! CBS 2 Chief Correspondent Jay Levine reports with the anger behind the new meter rate increases.

You think eight is enough? How about 12? That's how many quarters buy an hour of parking time in some places now. And its why some people have had enough.

Near Broadway and Addison, meter after meter are broken.

"I called the company and I said I don't want a ticket," one woman said.

LAZ is a Chicago company which collects the money for the New York owner which paid the city $1.2 billion to lease the city's 36,000 meters for 75 years. They've pasted new stickers on them, doubled the rates to as much as a quarter for five minutes in the Loop. That's $3 an hour to $2 an hour in many other neighborhoods. People are angry.

"People come into this neighborhood for entertainment reasons, and you can't anymore because meters are so expensive," said Joe DiSalvo.

And people are frustrated.

"It's jammed," a woman said.

CBS 2 called the company, too; twice to New York, another to Chicago. They didn't call back. We also called the city. They called back but basically said, 'not our meters anymore, not our problem anymore.'

Enter a guy who calls himself 'Mike The Parking Ticket Geek.' He contacted us via Twitter and showed us his website, theexpiredmeter.com, which he used to give people advice on how to beat parking tickets. The site has become a lightning rod for peoples' complaints about the new rates and operators.

Mike says the people who are writing to him have a sense of "anger, frustration, rage in some cases."

To the point where some, it appears, are vandalizing the meters. Pictures on Mike's website show meters deliberately smashed, taken apart, spray-painted, or deliberately jammed.

"People suggest taking a quarter, putting some super glue on it, and putting it in the coin slot," Mike said.

That jams the meter and everyone parks for free. Or not at all.

All over the city, we saw stretches of meters empty in places where people had been fighting for spots. Having to put in 12 quarters an hour was either too inconvenient or too expensive.

The credit card meters, promised for the entire city within six months, are still rare. And peoples' patience is wearing thin.

"Some people write me and say, 'this is the last straw, my condo is for sale, sales tax, red light cameras.' It's just too much for some people,'" Mike said.

The meter people have said they hope to get things straightened out by April 10th. Some have suggested a moratorium on tickets until they do. But with the city having given up the proceeds from the meters but still getting the revenue for the tickets, the meter revolt may fall on deaf ears.
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