THIS BLOG ATTEMPTS TO SHOW HOW SCIENCE IS CATCHING UP WITH REVEALED RELIGION

THIS BLOG IS AN ATTEMPT TO PUT ALL THE COOL STUFF THAT I BUMP INTO ABOUT THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST AND EVENTS THAT LEAD UP TO IT INTO ONE LOCATION.
THE CONTENTS WILL BE FROM AN LDS PERSPECTIVE. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING IN HERE, I DO NOT PARTICULARLY CARE TO ARGUE, UNLESS YOU CAN ADD TO THIS BODY OF WORK. I HAVE AN OPEN MIND, THAT IS WHY I READ STUFF FROM ALL DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND SEEK LEARNING FROM THE BEST BOOKS. I JUST AM NOT HERE TO ARGUE ABOUT IT - BUT TO PUT IT OUT THERE WHERE OTHERS CAN PERUSE/PURSUE IT. I TAKE PARTICULAR INTEREST IN HONEST SEEKERS OF TRUTH AND BELIEVE THAT SCIENCE IS REVEALED RELIGION'S BEST ALLY. YOU WILL SEE ALOT OF TOPICS IN THIS BLOG THAT SHOW SCIENCE BACKING - AND SLOWLY CATCHING UP WITH - REVEALED RELIGION.
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Monday, December 21, 2015

ECONOMIC TROUBLE PREDICTED BY MULTIPLE DIFF SOURCES?

THIS IS ONE OF THOSE WACKY POSTS OF A CLUGE OF A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT STUFF I LITERALLY TRIPPED OVER. I WILL ATTEMPT TO SORT IT OUT LATER:



Connor:

This is a nice link, and pertains very well. Thank you.

J:

The old prophecies and statements by the old leaders is part of what makes this such an interesting, and for me vague, topic. How to feel about this will ultimately rest on future revelation. With your interest and knowledge of church history, I would like to read a future post from you on this. If you take requests.

Comment # 18 left by Eric Nielson on November 3rd, 2006

:)

I have actually toyed a bit with the idea. The drawbacks are that it is very complex. Is there any reason to take it out of the Article of Faith before we take out the second coming? I think that the challenge for Mormon’s has been that since the beginning, they have believed that the second coming was going to arrive in their lifetimes and often within x years. When you put something like the gathering of Zion in Jackson County that doesn’t seem to be happening, they rationalize their way out of in preference of an eminent coming of Christ. Well, generations of Saints have been wrong and they die without the Millennium. Odds are that it will be the same for us.

Comment # 19 left by J. Stapley on November 3rd, 2006

Odds are that it will be the same for us.

Speak for yourself! :)

Comment # 20 left by Connor Boyack on November 3rd, 2006
hey all

The best place to learn about the new Jerusalem is reading Isaiah. The best commentary money can buy is by Avraham Gileadi and cost $40 + $5 shipping. it is 30 hours of verse by verse commentary on two CDs in a MP3 format. You can play it on any computer or MP3 player. see

http://www.isaiahinstitute.com/isaiahinstitute/Default.aspx

in short

Isiiah explains that america will have a economic clospe where the stock market will fall just like 1929. Most people on the last days list think this will happen in oct of 2008. Accourding to Joshp smith there will be a civil war starting in chacigo, which will spread across the usa. There will be no law and order, only in the rockys. kind of like how new orlands was when there was no food. missionarys will be sent out to gather people to the rocky mountains for peice and safety. The saints at that time will unhold the consitution. The lord will raise up a servant who will lead the people into the winderness like moses did. At this time amermica will be attached both one the CA side and the East side.

at this time 90% of the world people are killed, by war by the antichrist. only the rightous 9% will be protected indirectly. The 1% which is the holy seed will be gathered by the 144,000 to zion.

Faithfull sons like hemaun army will over come the attacking armys.
this will be done by faithful white and laminiate people. The us amry will have given up, and it will take this servant and the faithful sons to cause the power of god to fight back the invading armay.

the coming of the savior among these people will be so natural that only a few people will know the savior will have come. This is not his coming in golry.

The savor will lead a group and also the 144,000 each will lead people back to mousir zion in groups of 300-600 each. With one of the 144,000 in frount and in back. These people will be lead like moses and they will walk thur the fire, the oceans , the armys ect with the cloud of glory protecting them by night and a fire in the day. when they get to the center place zion, the glory that was upon each group will then be added upon the temple. so as more and more people gather, zion will put on its glory and streangth till the whole would will see its glory. The people who come to zion will have their calling and ection sure.

you have got to get Avraham Gileadis commentary on Isiiah. The best that any LDS author has yet to bring forth. over 30 hours. Hugh b Nibley said that Avraham is the most quilified peoson to teach Isiaih he knows of.

It is an amazing great work and wonder….

dewey




Is America on the Cusp of Economic Chaos? A Voice of Warning, Are We Listening?
Jared on October 29th, 2008 in Preparedness

I don’t know the answer to this question, but sentences beginning with economic, and ending with assorted descriptive terms like depression and collapse are being heard among those who are in the know about things financial. I think Jim Rogers was the first market maven I heard sound the alarm about the seriousness of the sub-prime problem in late 2007. More recently he told CNBC that the US government’s approach to the “bailout” will create an “inflation holocaust”.

In a now famous talk given by President Hinckley in Oct 1998 Priesthood Meeting, our optimistic prophet struck a surprisingly pessimistic tone when he said:

“There is a portent of stormy weather ahead to which we had better give heed. I hope with all my heart that we shall never slip into a depression. I am a child of the Great Depression of the thirties. I finished the university in 1932, when unemployment in this area exceeded 33 percent… We are carrying a message of self-reliance throughout the Church. Self-reliance cannot obtain when there is serious debt hanging over a household… I urge you, brethren, to look to the condition of your finances. I urge you to be modest in your expenditures; discipline yourselves in your purchases to avoid debt to the extent possible. Pay off debt as quickly as you can, and free yourselves from bondage.”


An Astonishing Prophecy

BACKGROUND ON IOHANI WOLFGRAMM FROM HIS GRANDSON:

Im happy to see that some of you may have known my grand father Iohani and for those who did not know him you would have loved my grand father honestly. He was an incredible honest man with unbelievable faith in Jesus Christ. he was blessed spiritually and had the strength of a Lion when he testified of the gospel.. Anyone who knew him knew that granpa loved them unconditionally. He was blessed with the gift of Healing and the he had great faith and magnified his priesthood to the best of his human ability. He prayed often and fasting was a regular part of his life.. He had a fouth grade education and could not read nor write but daily my granma would read the scriptures out loud while Iohani memorized each scipture word for word... He understood the scriptures and was able to cross reference. He served as a missionary most of his life and was a building missionary through out the pacific Islands. Granma and Granpa were called by the Mission President in Tonga and advised that they were to gather up the family and move to SLC. Utah, they moved in 1965. They had 18 children and when they came to America. the only way was on the front deck of a freightliner ship. They left with only the clothes on their backs and and very small amount of food. My Aunts believe that because they fasted often they were able to servived that long hard trip.. Some of my aunts were just children at the time advised that they were sea sick,wet and cold and had to be tied down so that they would not get washed away by the harsh giant waves. Still keep in mind that none of them spoke the English language.. All they knew is that the Lord had asked them to move to SLC and because of the faith my grand parents they just picked up and loaded that ship with full faith and trust that God will provide. The trip was planned by the church leaders so when my family arrived they were picked up by LDS members who were awaiting their arrival.. this is the kind of humble man my grand father was and I'm very blessed to be a part of his family... Granma use to ask him how will we eat and survive in this country and Granpa would say "If god can feed the animals on the ground and birds in the air, then he will also feed us his survants." My grand parents were true Pioneers of the Pacific. They later learned that they were called to this country to complete their geneology and to perform all of the hundreds and thousands of temple ordinance for their families etc. So the rest of their lives were dedicated to geneology and temple work. They also put in for a mission and did get send back to Tonga to serve and in their later years they served as Stake Missionaries. I have many many true stories and experience of miracle and blessings to share but I will share them with you at a later time. I love and miss my Grand parents they were fun folks and we always laughed with them... There is so much I wish to share but I will do so in due time. God bless everyone during these hard times and may we be obedient to the promptings of the Holy Spirit in all that we do. God be with you. Aloha


MORE ON IOHANNI:

This e-mail article is from Darren


I served as a councilor to Ensign Wolfgramm, Iohanni's nephew, throughout the 80's and early 90's. As a result of my relationship with Ensign, my wife and I had the wonderful opportunity to receive a blessing from Iohani.

I knew that Iohani had raised at least 2 people from the dead. One was his daughter, and Elder Oakes speaks of the event in one of his talks. (Also in the June 2001 Ensign http://lds.org/Static%20Files/PDF/Ma...2001Ensign.pdf Pages 13-14) I had the opportunity to talk to this daughter of Iohani and she told me about her experience of being run over by a car, having her head crushed, dieing, receiving a blessing from her father and coming back to life without any physical evidence that her head was crushed.

Another story I was told was that a relative of Iohani was in the LDS hospital and had died, It took over 2 days to get Iohanni to come and give him a blessing, as he was in California when his relative died. The staff at the LDS Hospital told the family of the dead man that they could not keep the dead body any longer in the hospital room and they were about to move him to the morgue. Finally Iohani got there and revived the dead relative.

The reason that Iohani had the gifts that he had is that he was so very humble and a true follower. He went on eight full time missions to Tonga. He told me that he visited the huts or doors of every person in Tonga, even the King and Queen. Tonga is now predominately Mormon, and some of that success is due to the efforts of the Lord working through Iohani.

My wife and I each received blessings from Iohani, my wife was told in her blessing that she would see the Savior and that she would witness the return of the city of Enoch. Mine was equally wonderful.

Iohani Wolfgramm did not mention to us the coming economic collapse when we met with him, but he did mention getting our lives ready for the Savior's return as he told us that His return would happen very soon.

Iohani's words have sunk deep into my heart. It was a great blessing.
Darren


Recently I came across a prophecy reportedly given in 1989 by Iohani Wolfgramm. Brother Wolfgramm, I’ve learned, is a Tongan brother known for his spiritual gifts. Elder Oaks referred to him in a talk entitled, “Miracles”, published in June 2001 Ensign. It is a word of mouth, fragmented pronouncement without a source. I would normally file it under the heading of unreliable prophecy, but I decided to keep it for further evaluation. Following is part of what he is reported to have said regarding an economic collapse:

“The Big economic collapse which leads to chaos will occur in the last year of the 2nd term of the son of George Bush who will become president.”

Someone commenting that the patriarch must mean that President Bush (the 1st Pres. Bush) would be re-elected. Patriarch Wolfgramm then replied (remember, this is 1989) that it wasn’t that Pres. Bush, but that it was the son of Pres. Bush who would become president that he was referring to.

I’ve been able to trace discussion on this prophecy as far back as 2003 on the internet. Does anyone know more? I hesitate to pass this kind of thing on, but I want to learn more about this prophecy. Do any of you reading this have more information?

Summary

I feel to echo the words of President Hinckley, and say it is important for all of those who follow the prophets to double, and redouble our efforts to be prepared as church leaders have told us for these many years.

I’ll close this post with the words of another prophet, Ezra Taft Benson who said:

“The revelation to store food may be as essential to our temporal salvation today as boarding the ark was to the people in the days of Noah” (”Prepare Ye,” Ensign, Jan. 1974, 69).


As I tried to look away from my black surroundings, a small light started to shine in front of me, and the darkness, sounds and feelings that had so completely oppressed me started to fade into the background. The light grew bigger, and a window opened up much the same as when I had witnessed my life's review. This time however, a panoramic view of the entire earth lay before me. It came closer and closer as if I had been out in space and was flying toward it.

I knew what was happening was intended to help me make my decision about going back to the earth and my terrible life. A part of me wanted to go back to the beautiful spirit world, or paradise, that I had seen, and another part of me felt the need to be reunited with my body so I could change my life. It was a tug-of-war, and what I was about to see was to help me understand what I would be going through if I chose to go back to my 'body of clay.'

Again the view before me played out like a videotape in fast forward motion, and yet I could see the scene in perfect clarity and was able to comprehend everything that transpired. As the earth zoomed up into my view, I first saw the whole world, and then various countries. It was made clear to me that in the future there would be wars and troubles, including nuclear attacks in various places of the world, and a view of how it would start was given.

I am not familiar with the geography of the world, but as I looked a the various lands before my view I instinctively knew what countries they were. Looking at the Middle East, I watched as a missile flew from Libya and hit Israel. The mushroom cloud that resulted from the blast was visible, and I knew that the missile contained a nuclear bomb. I was aware that those responsible for the missile were Iranian, but the missile had been hidden and fired from within the borders of Libya.

Almost immediately after this, other missiles began flying from one country to another, quickly spreading war around the world. I also saw that many nuclear explosions did not come from missiles but from bombs of some kind on the ground.

My focus then changed from the Middle East to the United States, and I understood that I was about to see some of the things that would lead up to the nuclear holocaust that I had just witnessed.

As I looked upon the continent of North America, I zeroed in on the eastern coast and then on New York specifically. I saw New York City with all of its people and buildings. I then saw some tall buildings crashing to the earth surrounded by tremendous amounts of smoke, dust, and debris.

I zoomed in closer into the smoke and dust, and I saw a woman holding a little girl's hand and running from the crashing buildings. The woman had long dark hair, hanging past her shoulders and curled inward slightly. She wore a beige business suit, heels of a slightly darker color, perhaps tan, and she was not wearing glasses. The little girl appeared to be about 6 or 7 years old with short brown hair reaching below the chin and cut in a type of pageboy look. They ran together, holding hands and trying to escape from the falling buildings. As they ran through the heavy smoke and dust, they were forced to let go of their hands and became separated. The child was terrified, and I could hear her screaming, "Mommy, mommy!" over and over again.

I don't know their outcome, if they lived or died, but I can still see the face of the woman clearly and could easily identify her from a photo or describe her to a sketch artist. I asked if an earthquake had caused the buildings to fall and felt impressed that the answer was no. However, I was not given any indication as to the cause of the destruction. (Incidentally, I told this story many, many times before September 11, 2001. When I did see on television the World Trade Center towers collapsing, I knew that this was what I had seen.

The next thing that came to me was more felt than seen. It was the understanding that shortly after the crashing of the buildings in New York City, commerce ceased. Shopping and buying seemed to stop, and the economy failed throughout the world. Few had any money at all, and those who did have it could not buy anything of worth with it. Gold and silver and other commodities had value and could be traded.

I then saw a man walk into a middle of a crowd of people and drop what seemed like a quart jar full of liquid. The jar broke and the liquid spread. I understood that people nearby had become infected with a disease from the liquid, and they didn't even know it. A day or two later the people became sick and started dying. I saw that this would happen in four particular cities: New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Salt Lake City. The disease started with white blisters, some the size of a dime, appearing the hands, arms and face of the victims. The blisters quickly developed into white puffy sores. Those with the disease would stumble around and fall over dead. Many died within a short time, perhaps 24 hours.

I also saw other people with a flu-like virus that spread more quickly than the first disease. The victims had blood coming from their nose, mouth, eyes, and ears. These people died even faster of this disease than the ones who had the first sickness. These diseases became wide-spread across the United States with hundreds of thousands infected.

As the people were fleeing the cities in the hope of saving their lives, gangs were attacking them and killing them. In the towns that were struck with disease there was chaos, with looting, rioting and murders involved in a complete breakdown of society. Many people seemed to go crazy. I sensed that the electricity had failed everywhere and that nothing was running throughout the country, including any of the communication systems. I watched people throw rocks through windows to steal TV's that would not work and thought it was very strange.

While I watched all this happening in the United States, my view instantly jumped back to the Middle East, and I saw the same thing taking place in Israel. The same sores and the same types of sickness and disease that were plaguing the U.S. had also been unleashed in Israel.

The switch in view only lasted an instant, and I was back in the United States. There was a tremendously long winter that caught everyone by surprise following the siege of sickness. It started early and lasted into the summer months. A famine had begun over the few years leading up to the long winter because of storms, droughts, floods and other plagues that had taken place; and the abnormally long cold period seemed to cause the famine to suddenly increase to its full measure.

In the period of time following the disease, which was quickly followed by the long winter, things started going down hill very quickly. Events piled up one on top of another without any breaks. My sense of timing was not very clear at this moment; however because I was seeing several things happening all at the same time or very close together.

During and after the long winter, the disease spread everywhere and increased in severity. The economy and the electricity were completely gone. Chaos and anarchy reigned over the entire United States. Without any government there was a total breakdown, and I saw people panicking everywhere. They were trying in vain to find food. There was none. I saw people even digging in the ground for worms to eat because they were so hungry from the lack of food.

Also, during this time I became aware that there was very little drinking water, and the remaining water had become contaminated, so that if a person drank it they would contract the disease and die. Because of their great thirst many people drank the water in spite of the danger of poisoning and died.

I mentioned earlier the gangs that killed people trying to escape the cities. It seemed that some of the people had lost their minds and went around in these gangs killing people just for the sake of killing; others killed for food or to gain some material possessions from their victims. Those that were killing for no reason were like beasts: animals completely out of control, as they raped, looted, burned and butchered people. I saw these gangs go into the homes of those who were hiding. They would drag them out of their hiding places, rape and dismember them.

For many there was an unnatural fear and hatred that came over the people. Family ties that once existed between husbands and wives, parents and children no longer mattered. The only thing that mattered was individual survival. Men would kill their wives and children for food or water. Mothers would kill their children. For me, the events that then lay before me were horrible beyond description and almost unbearable to watch.

The air everywhere was filled with smoke as many buildings and cities burned with no attempt to control the fires. As I looked upon this scene of chaos, smoke and destruction I noticed that there were small pockets of light scattered over the United States. There were, I would guess, about twenty or thirty of them that I saw. I noticed that most of the locations of light were in the western part of the United States, with only three or four of them being in the east. These places of light seemed to shine brightly through the darkness and were such a contrast to the rest of the scene that they caught my attention. I focused on them for a moment and asked, 'What are these things?'

I was then able to see that these points of light were people who had gathered together and were kneeling in prayer. The light was actually coming from the people, and I understood that the light was showing forth their goodness and love. I further understood that they gathered together for safety and that, contrary to what I had witnessed everywhere, the cared more for each other than for themselves. Some of the groups were small with only a hundred people or so, but other groups consisted of what seemed to be thousands.

I realized that many, if not all, of these places of light, or cities of light as I began to think of them, had somehow been established just before the biological attack, and that they were very organized. It was as if they had known what was coming and had prepared for it. I did not see who or what had organized them, but I did see many people struggling to reach them with nothing but what they could carry.

The cities of light had food that others outside of those groups did not have, and within the cities of light food was readily shared with those who joined their groups. In these places there was peace and safety. The inhabitants were living in tents of all kinds, many of which were no more than blankets held up by poles. I noticed that the gangs made no threats on these groups and left them completely alone, choosing to pick on other targets and unprotected people, as many of the people in those cities had guns that they would use for self-defense. The gangs also preyed upon the people who were traveling, trying to reach the cities of light.

As I looked upon them, I realized that these cities of light were temporary and that in a short time the people living within them would go to another place. I do not know where they were to go but seemed to think that they gathered in the mountains, to higher places.

As I was viewing the cities of light, my focus changed, and I became aware of missiles being launched and hitting U.S. cities. I watched as mushroom clouds started forming over many areas of the United States. Some of the clouds came from missiles that I knew were fired from Russia, and others were not from missiles at all, but from bombs that were already in the United States. These latter bombs had been hidden in trucks and in cars driven to certain locations and then detonated.

I specifically saw Los Angeles, Los Vegas, and New York City hit with bombs. New York City was hit with a missile, but I think that Los Angeles was hit by at least one truck bomb, if not several, because I didn't see any missile. I also saw a mushroom cloud from north of Salt Lake City, but without the aid of a missile.

In the darkness I also saw little fireballs. I'm not sure if this happened just before or during the mushroom clouds. The balls fell from the sky, were of different sizes - most being the size of golf balls - and were very hot. There were millions of them. As they fell from the sky they left streaks of flame and smoke behind them. Everything they touched started on fire: people, buildings, trees, or grass. Everything burned. I didn't ask what they were or where they had come from because by this time I was sick because of the scene before me, and so I observed without asking many questions.

At almost the same time and in the same locations as the mushroom clouds, I saw Russian and Chinese troops invading the United States. The Russians were parachuting at many spots along the Eastern Coast; I also saw them parachuting in Utah. Chinese troops were invading from the West Coast near Los Angeles. They were met with resistance from those who had survived the disease and bombs. I did not see any United States military there at that time.

The invasion was part of the nuclear war that I had seen earlier, and I knew that similar events were taking place all over the world as I had seen previously. I did not see much of this war, but was impressed that it was short in duration and the Russian and Chinese armies lost and left. No explanation regarding how or why was received.

Now the smoke became very heavy, dark and thick. Just as things appeared to be as bad as they could get, the earth began to quake. This occurred during a winter, seemingly the winter that followed the very long one I had seen earlier. The chaos had existed for almost a full year by this time. The earthquakes began in the west, around Idaho and Wyoming, and then quickly spread in every direction. I saw a huge earthquake hit Utah, and then California. There were earthquakes all over California, but they were especially devastating in the Los Angeles and San Francisco areas. San Francisco appeared to turn upside down.

The multiple earthquakes triggered volcanoes all over the west, and they started spewing a tremendous amount of ash and smoke into the air, causing it to become very dark and dirty and blocking much of what was left of the sunlight.

There were also huge waves of water that swept over the west coast, and as I saw them I realized that this same thing was happening to coastal cities all over the world. The waves were so huge that Los Angeles was nearly swept away.

I saw a wall of water taller than some of the buildings, perhaps as high as fifteen or twenty feet, sweep through Salt Lake City. I thought this was strange because of its location so far from the ocean, and wondered how a wave could travel all the way to Salt Lake City. I was impressed that the wave had not originated at the ocean, but was from under ground. I quickly noticed great cracks in the earth around Salt Lake City opened up and saw water shooting up out of the ground. I felt that deep under the ground was a huge amount of water and that the earthquakes had forced it up to the surface. Most of the buildings were swept away or destroyed when the water swept over the city. In fact there had been tremendous destruction, with only a few buildings left standing. The water coming from underground stretched from Idaho down to near Cedar City, Utah, and was very destructive.

As I looked, I could see that cities all over the country had been devastated, and there was rubble everywhere. Most of the buildings were destroyed. However, I realized that even though there was tremendous destruction from earthquakes, disease, floods, volcanoes, and tidal waves, the majority of the deaths were caused by the gangs of roving marauders that killed for pleasure.

As I studied the scene for a moment, the thought occurred to me that the earth itself had become sickened at the terrible acts of cruelty that were happening upon it and was finally reacting through these natural disasters. The earth was attempting to cleanse itself of the chaos and evil that had engulfed the people. The ash and smoke from the volcanoes had increased, and there was now almost complete darkness everywhere upon the earth.

The diseases also increased in devastation, and I saw people literally dying on their feet. I saw another particular disease that started with red blotches, and then the victims would start to bleed from every opening in their bodies. Then the people literally disintegrated, or melted into unrecognizable masses of flesh and bone. The sight was horrendous, as death and the dead were everywhere.

After this second terrible winter, I saw the survivors pile up the dead into huge piles to burn them. The stench was sickening. Some of the bodies had been burned during the time of chaos, but because people were more concerned with their survival they had mostly ignored the dead around them.

A huge earthquake occurred in the middle of the United States. It was tremendous and seemed to split the United States in half about where the Mississippi River is. The crack in the earth that resulted was huge, miles wide, and as it opened up the earth seemed to swallow everything. Water flowed in from the Gulf of Mexico all the way up to the Great Lakes. The Great Lakes did not exist any longer, however, as they became part of a large inland sea.

Then I saw another series of tremendous earthquakes all over the world. But they were not many, separate earthquakes, rather it was all part of one gigantic earthquake that shook the entire earth. Because of this earthquake waters overflowed their boundaries onto land all over the world. There were again huge walls of water along all of the coastal regions. This earthquake and the walls of water made the earlier ones seem small by comparison. I am not sure if the earthquake that split the United States in two was a part of this worldwide quake or not.

Next I saw a mighty wind come upon wind come upon the earth. As the wind hit, I saw people go into caves and into the cracks of rocks to try to escape its fury. It appeared to be stronger than any hurricane or tornado. It seemed that everything that had been left was now blown away.

I understood, without asking, that the great worldwide earthquake and the mighty wind were somehow caused by a huge planet-like object, that had come very close to the earth and had disrupted everything. It was also made clear to me that it was very near the "end" when this happened.

Now my perspective changed: I once again viewed the entire earth from a distance. I then saw a huge fireball, much larger than the earth, approaching our planet. It was extremely bright red and gold in color, and it engulfed the whole earth. When I witnessed this event I could not help but feel the difference between it and everything else that had occurred, and so I asked what this was that I saw. I was impressed that it was the burning of the earth that is described in the Bible. I understood that just before the fireball's appearance Jesus had appeared, and the good people I had seen earlier had left with Him and were no longer on the earth. The few people left behind were those wicked who had survived the earlier devastations.

The picture of the earth engulfed by this huge ball of red and gold fire slowly faded away into blackness. I was thinking that I have to go down and take care of my children so that they could be protected from the terrible things that were going to happen and then I don't remember any more until I woke up in the hospital."

Wolfgramm:
Economic collapse starting in Bush's second term.
Menet:
Some time after 9/11 the global economy will collapse to the point where paper money is useless and commerce ceases.

Wolfgramm:
Great drought.
Menet:
Droughts, storms and floods starts on/around the collapse and eventually leads up to a great famine.

Wolfgramm:
Great apostasy amongst church members.
Menet:
Doesn't talk about church events other than they gather in communities referred to as points of light. Maybe I missed something...

Wolfgramm:
Nuclear explosion in Utah.
Menet:
A mushroom cloud north of SLC

Wolfgramm:
Foreign troops invade US
Menet:
Russian and Chinese troops invade US.

Wolfgramm:
Invasion force in Utah primarily Chinese
Menet:
Chinese invade from west.

Wolfgramm:
Great upheavals and earthquakes along Wasatch front area
Menet:
Great earthquakes in Utah free enormous underground water reservoirs that flood much of SLC and surrounding areas

Wolfgramm:
Righteous spared
Menet:
Sees points of light around the US where people gather for safety and are protected from murderous gangs, biological attack, etc. (tent cities)

Wolfgramm:
Rocky mountains become sacred place where righteous gather
Menet:
Righteous people collect from scattered communities to mountain areas.

They match pretty well from a direct comparison. Menet goes into much more detail on world events as they unfold.

Saturday, June 9, 2012

THE PROGRESSION OF SIN

There have been alot of disturbing reports in the news lately that touch on cannibalism.  The first one that seared my mind many years ago was Jeffrey Dahmer who kidnapped little kids (boys), violated them (he was a homosexual - and that little detail is never pointed out in the media), and then he would kill them and then have a meal of various body parts.  Yep, pretty shocking, disgusting stuff.

The latest headline grabbing act of cannibalism is pretty much a carbon copy of Dahmer's despicable acts.  So what is the driver behind this kind of stuff.  Oh, the stupid liberals will call for gun control, then discover that a knife was used, then attempt to put a ban on the Chicago Cutlery....  Absolutely ridiculous stuff.  All the while the liberals are calling for adopting homosexual indoctrination in our schools, sex education touting "if it feels good, then do it", responsible drinking and drug use, etc.  Things they WILL have to answer for.  And I will be there - maybe not on the jury - but on the sidelines of the trial ensuring my witness is added to the narrative of how they have taken God's greatest work (this nation of freedom and justice) and made it into a hellish sea of destruction.

The conservative in me rejects any such ridiculous and devilish notions.  There have always been "gateway" sins that initiate a person on the path to debauchery.  This progression is not always followed to the letter, nor does it always end in unholy BBQ, but the ending is the same with the person bound in the everlasting chains of hell and under the power of the adversary and his minions.  Here we go with what these downward spiraling steps are:

- Word of Wisdom issues - drinking, ever hardening drugs that dull a person's senses
- Pornography and awareness of sexuality outside of a healthy context (distorting the sacred union of  man/woman)
- Mild Law of Chastity issues - french kissing, petting, everything but sex before marriage
- Egregious Law of Chastity issues - Sex before marriage or outside of marriage with opposite sex
- Homosexual relationships
- Murder
- Cannibalism

I am not sure a human being can sink lower than this last one, other than denying the Holy Ghost - and I think that denying the Holy Ghost is somewhere in the middle of those, depending on a person's light and knowledge.  All of these things lead to a next more serious sin until an individual feels trapped and unredeemable - where hope of the atoning blood of Christ appears to be out of reach.

So next time you meet someone who has pulled out of a spiritual nose-dive and get to talk to them about their journey into the abyss, see if it does not follow a similar pattern.  I think you will be surprised that this pattern is followed pretty closely.  Next time someone points out their belief that there is no harm in homosexuality - that its just a preference, point out that its possible that its just a mere two steps away from twisted barbeque..... and that it is one of the d'evils steps on the 12 step program to total personal, soul wrenching destruction and should be avoided like the plague.  It would be good to note here that most pre-modern cultures that have ended in the dust heap seem to have the tell-tale cannibalism as one of their last phases before self-annihilation.  The archeaologists always seem to find the tell-tale signs of bones cut with knives and other man-made objects and surmise that it was just part of their culture as a whole - and that it was a long-standing practice.  The Aztecs are one example where right before their end body parts ended up on the menu, natives of Easter Island yet another.  Yet, these same peoples made amazing advances in architecture, science, medicine, etc. - and the two (cannibalism and cultural advancement) are mutually exclusive.  Cannibals do not make good scientists (at least in biology and medicine), as they always end up eating their experiments.  In modern science, the closest group that made it to the heights of learning while simultaneously plunging to the depraved depths of debauchery, were the Germans under Hitler's regime.  So these archeaologists are making their suppositions based on a false line of thinking when they find the scored bones directly under the ash layer that showed the end of the depraved civilization.  The cannibalism was the last step of depravity before God allowed that group to be destroyed - or to destroy themselves so that another generation of innocent ones would not have to be exposed to the gross sin and base animalistic existence their fathers/mothers would bring them up in.  I have not read any ancient records to back this up (other than what some of the modern explorers have said about some of the modern peoples of Papua New Guinea who have been known to have their rival tribes over for dinner...), but I would suspect that homosexuality became rampant in those cultures just before the wanton murder and cannibalism set in.  No doubt, by inference, the people in Noah's day (whose culture was "filled with violence" and state-sanctioned gay marriage [CLICK to see my previous post on this topic] and late-term abortion; also experienced their share of cannibalism as people continued the depravity cycle to the bottom.  Of course, the result was total and complete annihilation by God for their actions.  We, of course, can expect nothing less for our collective crimes.  There, however, will be a few more than 8 saved this time around - probably more like 8%, or a little more by my worst-case guestimate and the destruction will come by the proscribed fire and not the former watery deep.  When it comes - if I happen to be a casualty of it, I will be cheering it on until I am no longer.  I am sick of the absolute garbage I see going on around me - so bring it on, so that the surviving generation can make a clean start.  As my BAC friend says - Come Quickly Jesus!!

Back on topic:  The d'evil will never know joy, sacred union of man and woman, the thrill of child birth, the perfect coupling of two loving people; and man and woman with their unique affirming and strengthening differences, he will never know the pain and ecstasy of life, never kneel across the altar and experience the long-term commitment of God's most sacred of ordinances that exalts and helps two people go the distance through the eternities.  He will never know the sensation of giving life or even the sweet kiss of death that comes to the righteous.  It is for this reason that he puts all the stuff on that list in the fore-front of our fallen society and his end-goal is to destroy family, life and eternal union.  The end-game of this whole exercise and homosexual agenda is to destroy our attempts to, without any interference, marry for time and all eternity in the House of the Lord.  If you lend even a small measure of support to that agenda - YOU ARE DOING THE DEVIL'S BIDDING - are my personal enemy (and more importantly, God's!) and need to repent speedily for your destruction will surely come.  I promise you that.

Do people struggle with same sex attraction?  Sure they do!  There are minions born with both pieces - and sometimes the doctors make an educated guess at birth on which way they should go in gender assignment.  They may struggle with same sex attraction as much as I struggle with opposite sex attraction (after marriage), but that does not give me or anyone else license to act on it.  For those individuals who suffer, it may be that they bear that cross their entire lives - and I believe they will be handsomely rewarded for having valiantly struggled.

Folks, we are at a cross roads.  We are in an election year where we get to make a choice - and we have one clear bad choice when it comes to God's definition of marriage - and a few alternatives.   I pray we all choose wisely, for I know that there will be destruction and hellish consequences awaiting us if we do not make the right choice.  God allowed the Noahidic peoples to be destroyed based on the exact issues we are facing today of abortion, destruction of the family and marriage through the homosexual agenda and violence.  LET US CHOOSE WISELY!

Sunday, May 20, 2012

ACCORDING TO TALMUDIC TRADITION, WE ALREADY HAVE THE SIGN OF THE DESTRUCTION OF THE WORLD

Whoa, this is really interesting stuff:

The Orion Comet Sign

The Talmud records the oral tradition of the Jews (Berachoth 58b) which tells us that when a comet passes through the constellation Orion, the world would be destroyed. The Comet Hale-Bopp would appear to be a fulfillment of this sign. It entered the region of the sky known as Orion on May 20, 1997 and exited on June 16, 1997. Another comet appeared shortly afterward whose path paralleled that of Hale-Bopp. This comet, 1998 J1, or, "SOHO," has passed through Orion as well, and according to Bob Wadsworth's study of these two celestial objects, both entered the ancient constellation Argo on the same day, June 14, 1998. SOHO entered from the northwest, and Hale-Bopp, from the southwest.

The Noahic Flood Comet Sign

According to recent orbital calculations by astronomers, (re. Daniel W.E. Green of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics) this same comet we now call Hale-Bopp passed through the inner solar system once before - about 4210 years ago. The Flood began 1656 years from Adam, in the Fall of the year we know as 2238 BC. That was 4234 years ago. If the comet appeared somewhere around 4210 years, it was the time of the great flood. According to what is recorded in the Seder Olam Rabah, an ancient Jewish text, we may observe that a comet appeared at about the time Noah began building the ark. It was probably the comet we know now as Hale-Bopp! Do you think that this comet may have been a sign of the impending destruction of the world by water? I do!
According to our Lord's words in Matthew 24:
As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
Matthew 24:37
By the sign of the rainbow, God's promise not to destroy the earth again by water still stands. However, the Earth will be destroyed by fire. What was evidently a portent of the first destruction could well be the same for the next.

Wednesday, May 16, 2012

WOW - DREAMS OF THE LAST DAYS

If this gal is anywhere close to reality, we are pretty much toast!


My heartfelt apologies for the length. You'll have to save this one for when you've got an extra hour.

I participate in a few LDS-centric last days groups. Some I left a few years ago because I never felt the Spirit there or gained anything. Recently, however, they had a new member join who refuses to identify herself or provide an email address. She only communicates via the groups. She claims some pretty detailed dreams and that she's never been allowed to share it until now. Her posts have generated quite a lot of activity and buzz on those sites, re-energizing them. For whatever they're worth, I've collected them (warts, spelling errors and all) and pasted them below for your consideration, rejection, insight, etc.

Some are a bit out of context because I posted only her replies to questions, but I think you'll get the drift.

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herendair         to Last-Days-Even. 2/16/05 (4 days ago)

Hi Alva, in response to yours and DOCS request, I feel I should Share a few things. First of all, I'm rarely allowed to do this. As I prayed about it, I feel that I do need to share these things now. Recently I have been shown that events have been "moved up". I have never been given timelines in the past, as agency is such a deciding factor as to the timing of events. Often what I have been shown has not always been in a particualar order. I do know things arent going to happen all at once. The first big event I was Shown was an earthquake along the Wasatch front,It was an 8.3, possibly up to an 8.6 And it began in SLC, right at the temple, oddly little was dammaged there,This part reminds me of a scripture, but I dont know the reference, it says..." at my house shall it begin"? This earthquake causes massive damage and death,I think its in late summer. I saw, both the deer creek and jordonelle dams break taking out cars houses etc... in its path, trees and water rocks and debri everywhere. In provo streets were so broken up there was fires, broken water pipes, and gas mains People died from the large glass shards from the Nuskin building as its windows broke. In Salt Lake I saw the mall across from temple square, gangs everywhere, people living in the parking garage with little fires to keep warm, people were dying in the streets, I saw one doctor with tears in his eyes, look up from his work in the street, he was completely overwhelmed at the mass of dead and dieing. A Hospital made of red brick on the east bench of SLC collapsed, It was the entire north wing that went.By where the old salt palace used to be, I also saw the north end of the structure collapse into rubble. I don't know salt lake very well but It was near symphony hall and I think the Delta center. At this point I saw blood running in the streets, it was Horrible. I watched a great big crack open up on the west end of the great salt lake and the lake poured into it. I also saw the refinery stacks on the south of the lake topple over, the lake was burning. People everywhere were homeless, the government set up shelters at hill air force base, and camp williams, micron, and lots of other places, DONT EVER GO TO THOSE !!!!!!! they become death camps I wached people get the mark of the beast there. It was just like the old small pox vaccine, a little white gun, they put them in the persons right hand then entered personal info on the person into a computer then scanned it just like at the supermarket. In the bacek corner I saw a small groutp of decenters they had on blue jumpsuits.. the others were a kind of orange color. I watched them strap the decentors on a gurney and put the mark in their fore head as a sign to everyone of their rebellion. I could go on and on. this is only the very beginning, while these things were happening in Utah the rest of the country was having violent weather and soon things went to marshal law. this post is waaay long. I'll share more as I can, but perhaps specific questions would be better than relating the whole book.

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Gentile Man         to Last-Days-Even. 2/16/05 (4 days ago)

Herendair:

I also have seen a massive earthquake in SLC. It was so big I expected the Conference center to go down but it didn't. When I asked where the quake was centered I was given the answer "California".

I fear that at least one of the major quakes that many have seen hitting Utah is actually a California quake that is so massive that it still hits SLC at an 8 to 9 magnitude.

Did you ever ask where the quake(s) you have seen were centered? Just comparing notes...


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allenjulie_85236         to Last-Days-Even. 2/17/05 (3 days ago)

I have been a lurker for many months but this subject has caused me to come out in the open. My Last Days physical preparation are as follows.

Fuel: Six 20-gallon propane bottles used on a natural gas oven/stove that has been converted to propane. This propane has a mechanical thermostat for the oven. Many natural gas/propane ovens these days have electric thermostats which are worthless if the power goes out. Each propane bottle will operate the stove for our family of five approximately 2 to 3 months.

I used to have stored 300 gallons of diesel fuel for our six VW diesel Rabbits but I kept having problems with water getting in the fuel because the storage containers I used were purchased because of price rather than functionality. I should have spent a little more money and bought the right storage containers in the first place. VW made the diesel Rabbits between 1978 and 1984. I drive Rabbit diesels for several reasons.

1. They are easy to work on and I can do all the maintenance myself. 2 They have mechanical fuel injection rather than electronic. No computers, so I don't have to take them to the dealer for interogation of the computer codes. 3. Parts are still plentiful and cheaper than every foreign car currently manufactured. 4. They get 45 to 50 MPG 5. Diesel fuel is easier to store than gasoline. 6. During a nuclear attack, the EMP (Electro Magnetic Pulse) generated by the blast will fry any transitor and diode not "hardened" against such attacks. (The military's computers are hardened against EMP.) Any computer controlled device will cease to operate; such as personal computers, power stations, ATM's, all modern cars, city water supply systems and gas stations. Diesel Rabbits have no computer controlled ignition or injection. These vehicles should still run after a nuclear attack. My next project is to purchase a hose and battery operated electric pump that could be mounted to my diesel Rabbit pickup. Since gas stations will no longer operate after a attack, I want to be able to pull up to a gas station, insert my hose into the underground tanks and pump either diesel or gas out of them.

Food: My food storage will last approximately 2 years. It is a mixture of both wet and dry food from the Church Cannery, canned goods from Costco and Safeway, MRE's, and Ama-Ama Products. Most of my wheat and dry goods is in #10 cans rather than plastic buckets. Cans are easier to handle than buckets. I used to have all my dry goods in buckets but they would crack, the seals would go bad or they would collaspe if I put too much dry ice in them.

I have picked up MRE's because during a diaster, you will be under a lot of stress and time will be at a premium. The last thing you will have time for is to spend several hours a day preparing meals. MRE's can be eaten cold or can be warmed up in a few minutes in boiling water.

To gind the wheat I have a grinder (purchased from Lehman's) that is hand operated, however, it can be motorized as well. The Lehman's wheat grinder has a large flywheel on it that the handle attaches to, with a groove cut into it for the motor drive belt. The heavy flywheel, once it is moving is easier to keep turning than a unit without one. The handle is long enough that two people could grasp and turn it.


Medicine: My wife has collected several herbal remedies to naturally treat various maladies. Cayene pepper, garlic oil, Colloidal Silver, several types of essentials oils: peppermint, "Thieves", oregano, cinammon, lavender and a few others. She also collected several remedies from Dr. Richard Shulze (Intestional Formula #1) and Dr. John Christopher (herbal salves). Both of them are herbalists. I am starting to stock up on some alternate remedies such as "Solutions ie". I would like to get some Homeopathic remedies as well


Water: We have 1500 gallons of water in four 275 gallon containers and the rest in 55-gallon plastic drums with a hand pump to get the water out. I want to get one of those "Big Berky" or Berky Light", gravity feed water filters. They don't need water pressure. You pour contaminated water in the top; it percolates down through the filters and is collected at the bottom, purifed and drinkable.


Communication: I've been able to get a HAM radio license and radios that will operate on VHF, UHF and HF bands. However, a nuclear attack will fry them so I'm thinking that when an attack seems imminent, I could store my radios in an insulated metal box in my basement that was well grounded and that might protect them. However, if everyone else's radios were fried, I wonder who would I communicate with? I would like to acquire some deep-cycle 12 volt batteries, an inverter and some solar panels. The batteries could be used to run the radios and could be charged with the solar panels. The inverter could be connected to the batteries to run small power tools like a drill motor or a saw. You always need to drill a hole or cut a board.

Books: The books in my library cover a number of subjects: Scriptures, Constitution, Herbal remedies, medicinal plants in the Southwest and Rocky Mountains, detailed repair manuals for all my cars, HAM radios, organic gardening. I want to acquire books on such things as building a forge, making steel and other kinds of basic skills that nobody know anymore.

Clothing: A few months ago I attended a "Winter Without Worries" class taught by Jim Phillips in St. George. He teaches you that the best material to make winter clothing out of is polyurethane foam covered with breathable fabric on both sides. I won't go into the details now but it really works. Jim has quite a large collection of actual military tests that show how the foam works much better than anything commerically available. We have made a couple of sleeping bags out of it and some long underwear for my wife. We have enough foam on hand to make clothing and sleeping bags for each member of our family.

Tents: I have acquired a 12 by 15 foot canvas wall tent with a rain fly and a canopy. It has two screened doors and two screened windows with storm flaps on all of them.


I still have many little things to pick up and I probably will never be fully prepared, however, the most important preparation is be in tune with the Holy Spirit. He will guide you in what preparations to make, whether large or small.

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first to answer a few questions: The first earthqyake was in the late summer, The grass was yellowish, I do believe it was fall. In all I saw 4 very significant earthquakes,with alot of smaller ones in between. The first two were within 1-2 years of each other, I think.. as I have said these things were not always given in a particualr order, but as I've been shown them again and again, I've kind of figured it out. It was I believe the Delta center that collapsed on the north side. I did see the conference center in tact after the quake, with just some clean up. The SL temple had only minor dammage, In the Provo temple, I watched the flowers in the celsetial room fall and the vase broke, but the dammage was minimal, mostly clean up. That surprised me cause the rocks behind the temple in rock canyon were rolling everywhere. I also saw the Jordon river temple They quickly got the people out in an orderly fashion, they gathered outside on the lawn. Redwood road was surprisingly one of the safer places to be when things got rough, not as many gangs there. After this first quake I saw alot of the wasatch front evacuate southward to the valley by Manti.It was completely full of tents, both army tents and others, most were green with an odd color mixed in here and there, that valley was full of people... some even finding shelter in the turkey barns they have there. The Government provided alot of supplys at that time. The people there were able to have what they needed and it was a safe place. I saw a young man in the back of a pick up truck in Spanish Fork, He was talking to crowds of people, and convinced them to move southward to safety, alot followed him and went to Nephi.He had an old man helping him that was retired military, with grey hair, this man was good at organizing the people. The marshal law hadn't taken over fully, till the people were in the relocation camps and had the Mark of the beast. At one point I saw the President of the US sign a secret treastie with russia and china,I don't know if that has already happened or not. Two men stood behind the pres. dressed in black, they were representing these two nations. they mocked him and the US behind his back... but there was someone else behind them that was even darker. I knew at that point our country had been sold down the river. I also was told this was part of the plan for the new world order that the dark ones wanted. At the beginning of things I did see an economic down spiral... this has already started. I did see some people begin to rebuild after the first earthquake, but the second one came too soon after for things to really get back to normal. The second quake was enormous...10.0 in the desert, in Utah we felt it as a 9.3.. it started in the California-nevada desert areas. As I went back over my journals this was when the stacks on the south end of the Great salt lake fell and the big crack in the salt flats opened up I saw water spewing up in the middle of the Lake like a giser. Just a Note here, Just recently I was shown the cause of the first earthquake... I saw an explosion at the botton of the ocean between Austrailia and Hawaii, I watched the sand implode almost, being sucked into a large hole... this caused a chain reaction as a crack opened up following the fault along the ring of fire. I could see lava glowing in some of the cracks...this went right up into Alaska, then down into washington. I was told "this is what awakens Mt. Raineer.I watched as the inner areas of the ocean floor within the ring of fire all dropped. Then the plates began moving towards the center of the ocean. Ths effected alot of homes in Cal. on the coast. They started slipping, it also caused alot of Tidal waves... I think this event just happened... And I won't say what caused the initial explosion on the oceans floor, but I can say it was man made.


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Rarely in the past have I been allowed to share these things, But I know now that time is running out, and people need to get prepared. I believe that is why I am being allowed to share at this time. I was recently given a firmer time line, and I know these things have begun. Note that I was told that the following could change a year or so in either direction, sooner or later. 1. Oct-Nov 2007 First E.Q. 8.6 watch for 3.0's along wasatch front, and good crops in previous year. 2. Nov 2008 Elect new president, economic collapse. 3. April -may 2009 second big E.Q./ fema comes and takes food. this is time to go into hiding. 4. 2009 1/2 Concentration camps, mark of beast..all must accept or become fugatives, Volcanos increase everywhere, marshal law permanent. 5. 2009 1/2 Russia, China invade from all borders. 6. 2011 third big quake,(don't know magnitude) Lots of people escape camps... 7. 2011 1/3 First nuke in Cal- Nev desert.Hits underground nuke, double explosion. leaves only islands from oregon down into arizona. 8. Burning Hailstones destoy almost everything. 9. 2012 massive asteroid hits pacific ocean.knocks off axis of earths rotation. polar caps melt. Massive flooding, U.S divided by mass of water from great lakes to gulf. major storms, winds,cold.

Utah becomes semi tropical.later, land masses move, world against israel. 4th quake happens...cant say rest....

All of this is conditional on the agency of man and his choices, as men change for good, things can be avoided. And time frames changed As mens choices increase in iniquity, I beleive these things could come Sooner and be even worse.

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I've been praying constantly, this morning I was given so much more...Here it is: Per the biological attacks... there are 4 main ones... two are currently in place and spreading world wide 1. is tha Avian flu- sars epidemic, I belive these two are engineered and of the same make up. 2.mad cow, waisting disease. apperantly the tests that are being done are even causing this in remote areas, even in the wild. Our food chain is contaminated... even the vegies, with bio engineering. 3.flu to come, this one is the worst and we will see it comming a little at a time. This is engineered from technology from the hitler era. And is a derivative from the 1918 spanish flu. This thing will be like the black plague was in Europe. The current things they are doing to weaken our imunne systems arent working fast enough (look to the skys).In fact many people are developing a resistance.. so now we get flu vaccine to speed up the process. Thats why there was a shortage this year... everyone panicked and ran to get theirs. 4. This just looks like more flu but is deliberatly released in major cities. I feel it has begun and will increase gradually. The main lab involved in this is based in NYC or near there, and has other labs involved world wide. I heard the words "Allutech" when I saw these labs.

Next I was shown a new "nycean counsil" taking place, this was counsil of very dark men...an unlucky # of them determining what the new world religion would be.Then Ot was voted on inthe U.N. headquarters. There are so many power hungry dark factions world wide. Almost every major government , has a shadow government calling the shots.

Next I saw the oval Office, On the desk in front of the pres.was a white folder, it said UN on the front...He sighned it into law... then I saw that stupid natioinal id card in everyones right hand...I IS THE STEP RIGHT BEFORE THE MARK OF THE BEAST!!! The card in everyones hands then changed and it became the chip.Someones preivious post hit the nail on the head. This next part might get me in trouble, but here goes... Next I saw a counsil meeting of men within the predominant Utah religon, they were very concerned about this ID card!!! Then I saw the funeral of the current prophet. Many were mourning his loss. Next I saw a big problem... the chuch became split down the middle as people couldnt decide weather to get the mark or not... Those who did take the mark remained in monitary power in the church.. those who rejected the Mark, Retained the priesthood power, but were greatly persecuted. The government tried taking over the church... But the Lord kept His key players in their places, So the church wasnt destoyed. I feel this is what the scripture means that talks about the church being driven into the wilderness.

Next I saw the first EQ again... there was a massive crack inteh ground that was probably 100 feet across it ran through the center of SLC. Just about From the Hospital down into tailorsville... It had other smaller fissures spidering out from it. The south edge of the main crack dropped several feet and the soil slipped on that edge. I was shown that this is why so many structures along it collaped. The red brick Hosp. was on the south of the crack and its noth end collapsed as the ground gave was underneath. the same applied to the delta center. There was a really tall building near main and I think 3rd east. Almost as big as the church office building. It really went down... Also the Ch.o build just swayed really bad. On the freeway the west end of the spagetti bowl went down along sith several overpasses. The Great Salt Lake was Sloshing Everywhere. flooding the freeways etc... Lots of broken roads Fires burnign buildings and rubble. I saw a woman in a blue business suit rinning in the streets and dodge-ing the falling buildings. The quake Started with several smaller tremmors... few paid attention. When the big one hit it was going then stopped for for a few minutes. Then it really hit hard. Millions were displaced out of their homes. The quake was felt all the way back to missouri. The main states involved were Ut., Az.,Whyo., Nev., For some reason the south eastern end of the state wasn't hit as hard. The Pres. Declared a national emergency. in the western states. power and Communications were sporadic. The Gov sent in the Nat. Guard to help relocate people, with trucks and supplies. I saw a Long line of military vehicles along with other cars and trucks headed up Spanish fork canyon. Some went to sanpete, others to carbon county. The Gas stations had Long lines where they had power, and I saw someone shoot another person in the panic. The relocation camps were offered as shelters right from the start. But not as many went there at first. Martial law was declaired off and on durring this...We are actually under it now, at the airports etc...Fema was a big influence at this time. in relocating people etc...I saw bishops announcing to their congregations the need to open their homes and resourses to the homeless. There where alot of miracles at this time,as people helped one another. Lots of Supplies of food and tents were supplied to Sanpete and Carbon counties by the US government.The church asked for people to share what they had at this point, food storage etc.. the law of consecration. I was told that if I wanted to go to a city of light, this was the time to share what I had... The church was stock pilingthe food in these places. and they provioded a way to get it there. That was my ticket to a city of light. lateron there are few running cars, ond little gas so you would have to bring your years supply by horse and wagon if possible. Next I saw a new President.. He is someone very close to pres. Bush. Pres bush continued leading our govenment in this way... kind of like a back seat driver. Next I saw a massive hurricane off the south east coast It was bigger than anything that has ever hit there. it was devastating, then massive flooding in the mid west. The hole nation went to martial law, The pres called in U.N. forces to take over and keep the peace. WE had relitivly no governemt left except for the military and they kind of did things their own wayThe white fema trucks now came an took the food. In the Sanpete and carbon counties, at first it was voluntary then manditory . The military began to paln an attack on these little valleys to get the food that was there. but the Lord protected the people by closing up the mountains in the 2nd E.Q.


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MP, I do know that the emp does go off. I think right before the 2nd E.Q.... I saw lines of cars on the freeway by Nephi, empty cars, tires missing and doors open. I also saw people grabbing their things and running on foot. Then I saw what I thought was Na palm. It looked like fire raining from the sky... the size of rain drops. It wasnt like the bigger hail fire that comes later. But I know alot of people died from it. I saw planes shooting it at the people in the streets as they ran away.Just have to say how importaint personal revelation will be durring these things.

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Hi Lizzie, I would suggest that you go to the Lord and ask for the answer. If it has already concerned you, perhaps your spiritual red flags are going up to warn you. What I have been given is... that some of the things they are encouraging people to get..ie flu vaccine,is not making us sick, but weakening the immune system, so that when they hit us with the real bad bug, we wont be able to withstand its effects. Just a note here. My last two children aren't immunized...recently I've been told to go get it done. Now that the children are older they can handle the effects...but the real reason is this... soon our gov. will begin making note of those who have not complied...they will start taking peoples children away as a result, saying they are unfit parents...To me the risk of getting the shots is of far less of an importance than the other alternative. I guess its a matter of prayer for each individual.

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Ot was a misspell sorry... it is supposed to say ("IT" was voted on by the U.N.) Per the flu vaccine, The fastest way to create a demand, is to create a shortage. I really worry about saying too much of the bio type things... It tends to grab the attention of the wrong people. Some of which are watching sites like this one. I can say following the Word of wisdom is key to building a strong immune system. A few nights ago I saw a report on the news about studies that have proven the flu vaccines have had little if no beneficial effects. The amount of people who got the flu was the same with the shot, as it was in those who did not recieve the shot. This was a report from the centers for disease control. I want to appologise also for my (atrocious) spelling and grammer. I think I spelled that wrong!

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here's more of what I've been shown. I saw a young man standing in the back of a truck on a street in spanish fork. This young man wasn't a general authority but, truly had the spirit of prophecy, he told several groups of people to move south to saftey, they followed him and went to the Nephi valley...there they began to settle and they got along well. The people felt safe and began to get too comfortable The young man again warned them that trouble was comming and that they needed to leave and go further south. The officials in charge didn't like this independant group (probably of one to two thousand). They considered them to be discentors and fugatives. This group ignored the young prophet man and said they were happy there. That was when I saw airplanes attacking this group from the north east. The airplanes fired what looked like tiny firebursts at The people. I think it was napalm? next I saw a family in their truck ready to go but suddenly all the cars and vehicles where frozen,I feel this was when the EMP was used... the freeway was later filled with vehicles all lined up, tires had been stolen by luters the cars where stripped and doors left open..When the attack came I saw people quickly grab what they could and just start running on foot. Some southward others on foot up throught the Nephi canyon, up towards the sanpete valley. The first E.Q.had ruined the road in the canyon and large bolders and rocks had blocked most of the normal route. I saw the people running on foot being persued by the military up this canyon. It was then that the Lords hand was upon mount Nebo...As if he were molding it with His own hand the mountain closed up right behind the righteous group of people who were trying to escape.. It reminded me of the children of Israel going through the red sea on dry ground. With the egyptian army in hot persuit. I also saw the thistle canyon close up as well. But there I saw alot of water, that also blocked the way closing the sanpete valley in. I never did see what happened on the south end of that valley but I know it was protected for a long time. Next I saw that the military was really mad at the people in the Sanpete valley Those people had food and supplies that the military had helped bring in with the first E.Q. evacuation. Now the military wanted what was left. Fema had already come around with the white trucks and taken almost everything they could. I was told that this was the time to flee into the mountains for safety...at the first site of those white fema trucks.Now the military set up camp in the Nephi valley. Just below the mountain that had closed up. They were planning an attack on the poor righteous people of little Sanpete. I did see some military men refuse to do this, they were righteous priesthood holders, being ordered to kill the innocent. I saw several of these good military men executed at point blank range. Next I saw a great big E.Q. swallow up the tanks airplanes...and all the military equipment that was stationed in nephi.It was so Dark,the sky looked black with storm clouds. When it was all over there wasn't much of Nephi Left. Back in Sanpete valley people did ok for a while, they worked together to survive. I did see a mass grave there in that valley after the first E.Q. Because So many had come wounded and dying, they died once they arrived there. Sanpete wasn't prepared to handle all of the medical and shelter needs. Next I saw my family hidden in the mountains. I looked down at the valley, and saw a chinese soldier. I then saw that they had come from the california coast, at first the chinese then russian troops... they came from all the borders. I then saw a Large fireball in the say comming from the east. I saw a chinese soldier Look up at it then he had a look of betrayal on his face. I think it came from his own country. I was then shown a place in the middle of the California Nevada desert. It was a small fenced in area with a chain link fence about 50' x 50'. there were posted warnings and red signs, it was a government facility, but there wasn't anything above ground except the fence. I then asked what the yellow fire ball in the sky was...i was told it was nuclear. It hit in the middle of that fenced in area...where there was another nuke underground.. Both went off...I was then pulled away from the picture as if i was looking at the U.S. from a distance. Everything went completly black then bright red...Then I saw the Saltlake valley it was red soooo red No houses. just stubbs of trees and people huddling by little fires to survive.The temple was still standing.Then I saw the western coastline. All the way from Oregon down through Arizona the entire coastline was gone leaving only little islands dotting the area. teh ocean actually touched the tip of southwestern Utah. I'll share more later...

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Mary Lou, I did see a massive super volcano, where mt. raineer is now. I was told It would be the biggest in the U.S. I also saw a large volcano just above the bear lake area in southern Idaho. As to your question of safe places. Near the top of Idaho and in the lower Part of Montana I saw a group that was self sustaining these people did well for a long time, though I do believe at one point they all migrated eastward. This group was situated somewhat between the two volcanos but a bit to the north.

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silverboh         to Last-Days-Even. 2/21/05 (3 days ago)

Herendair said:

As to your question of safe places. Near the top of Idaho and in the lower Part of Montana I saw a group that was self sustaining these people did well for a long time...

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I was wondering if you are talking about two different groups or if this is one area? My wife's family lives near there and when I read this I read the "top of Idaho" as meaning the northern part of the panhandle near Coeur D'Alene Area. But I read the "lower part of Montana" as closer to Butte and the lower part of Idaho. If you can clarify that would be great.

Jared

herendair         to Last-Days-Even. 2/22/05 (2 days ago)

It was mainly one group of people that I saw in that area. In the northern portion of Idaho ....southern portion montanna. Often what I have seen is somewhat vague as to towns or areas, just general. Like if I was looking at a map of the U.S.A. It was an area near the Idaho panhndle up to the north and a little to the right of the panhandle. so it was just one area I saw...but that does not mean that there are not lots of other safe areas. I did see other areas of the U.S. as well one by Cortez New Mexico, a few in Colorado one in the Arizona desert south west of Page area (a long way from page). There were also several small places as well.

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Here's more of what I've seen. When Fema was comming around to take the food, at first it was on a volontary basis then it became manditory. I was told to LEAVE AT THE FIRST SITE OF THESE WHITE TRUCKS!!! We went into the mountains.I also saw enormous warehouses filled with the food they had taken forcefully from the peole and then stockpiled. Then I saw the starving people in the death camps. The food in the warehouses remained there...and was not used for the starving people. I did see that many people escaped from the internment camps durring one of the Earthquakes, I think it was the Same E.Q. that reshaped the mountains and also helped the people form Nephi escape. When the Nucelear bomb came from the east It was completely unexpected by everyone. When it hit the other U.S. Nuke that was still in the ground they both went off at the same time. I saw a major shock wave and cloud over California as everything went black and then red....This one event changed everything...I saw massive tidal waves and enormous changes to the region. I saw very little left standing almost all of california was gone. Just little islands left. Soon after the bombs went off I saw massive hail falling on everything across the U.S. the hail was on fire. Some the size of a grain of rice...up to the size of a car or small house. I saw these hitting everything that was left It burned up the fields and destoyed most structures that were left standing...to me this was the worst of all the previous events, because it effected everyone and destroyed more. At this point most everything was desolate.All the trees burned, even in the mountains. I also saw alot of volcanic activity all across what was left of the U.S.A. In other parts of the world things were very much in the same kind of turmoil. WE had to learn how to survive from the native americans...People tried to grow food but it was very hard...very little was left. To the impoverished countrys nothing had changed they got along just as they always have, then they showed the rest of the world how to survive.I did see the entire world at war.Everything was in turmoil. Next I saw an enormous yellow ball of fire in the sky I was told this was a small planet or asteroid, It hit out beyond California in the pacific ocean. I was shown the year 2012. This along with the previous nuclear attack was too much for the earth to sustain all in the same general region. The earths rotation was nocked off its axis. I then saw massive flooding as the polar caps melted. I was again pulled back from the view and I saw the entire U.S. It looked like two small continents. The west coast was just little islands all the wasy from Oregon down to Baha California. Alot of texas was under water...as was a great portion of canida... the Entire area from the great lakes down to the gulf of mexico was all under water, the area effected was as wide as the great lakes combined. The east coast was also mostly islands and was almost all gone as well, though I wasn't shown what caused it. Many if the islands world wide were underwater at this point.

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I did see the St. George area safe for a time.. but later on that tip of the state was effectivley gone from the nukes. The nukes just took out the s.w. corner of utah, I did not see if St. george was left or not.

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kim gifford         to Last-Days-Even. 2/22/05 (2 days ago) Herendair- What did you see for the Idaho/Wyoming border, up by the mountains? I've dreamed about a tent city and I always thought thats where it might have been. Seems a bad place to have it tho because of Yellowstone and all...

herendair         to Last-Days-Even. 2/22/05 (2 days ago)

all I really saw in that area was the volcano I've spoken of.. But I did see some places of refuge farther east into Wyoming.

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herendair         to Last-Days-Even. 2/22/05 (2 days ago)

I wasn't given a time frame (BC: She was referring to a question as to how long it would take for the events to unfold. And yet, she provided possible dates in another post. Go figure.) ...I only saw the events leading up to... Mark 13:32-33 32.But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

33. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

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I do believe there will be a refuge by the dream mine-salem area. One thing I perhaps should explain is that there will be different phases of places of refuge. First phase...would be the places people evacuate to right after the initial E.Q.'s i.e. tent cities. Second phase would be a place to settle into for a while... more organized area of mini cities, people pulling their resourses in a community of cooprative living. Third phase would be the mountains, caves,hiding in the rocks and crevices, this could also include a place you have prepared for nuclear attack...when you baracade down to live off of your resourses going into hiding for protection. Fourth phase is whatI believe will be those places protected by God...cities of light places that people hear about and begin migrating to for protection. In these places people will have to live by the laws of God... consecration etc....I believe people will have to prove their goodness before they will be allowed in.

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One thing everyone needs to know is that even if you have heirloom seeds you need to have the knowlege of how to harvest the seed for the next year.. some plants like carrots are biannual and you have to let the carrots sit in the ground a year before the seeds can be harvested.. Other seeds like for apple trees, need a hardening time with the cold to work... basic understanding of this will be essential


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I have seen an attempt on the presidents life...I also saw one that failed...These were seperate... I do know that there is a new president in office when everything falls apart. This new president seemed to be a puppet.And really panicked at the natural disasters that happened. He also seemed akward at decision making. I saw that he was a good friend of Bush, then I saw bush standing behind him...still running things...it may be figurative of the Bush family still having pull in the white house...even if it isn't actually George W. in charge. I did see the government in almost total ruin. The military seemed to be in control at first...then fema...then the un...Then the invasion of china, russia. At that point it was all down hill..nukes, gangs,things just got to a point of survival...many having pockets of government,in their own little areas. Just because I didnt see it doesn't mean its not valid...I trust brother wolfgramm's blessing as truth...especially with the priesthood he had.

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Hi Doc...I believe it was the second earthquake that takes out the two dams...The second E.Q. was soooooo bad I saw alot of water with it. It also seemed to be the cause of alot of future volcanic activity starting.I saw the old Hot Pots becomming active at the old homestead hotel by Heber.The volcanos that come later across the U.S. are enormous...Mt raineer,is one of the worst, I also saw a great big one up in Idaho above the bear lake area. One thing that I was told as I saw the volcano's.. was that if you can find a mildly active one to live by, It could be a blessing to you. It would keep the military...and gangs etc...away.

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MP This is very important...I saw thousands of orphaned children...huddling by fires to keep warm. I have friends who are gathering as many childrens clothes, shoes coats etc...as they can, even though their children are grown. It will be essential to teach your children how to be safe in the wild,from all types of predators, even human ones. I saw my own son going out to forage for food...this was while we were still in our homes. They will also need to understand the power of prayer and the ministering of angels. Even how to use their own spiritual gifts. Don't discourage your children when they come to you about something they have felt...the Lord is preparing them too. Thanks MP this is really important.

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The next thing I saw was the return of the city of Enoch...It was very brief I just saw the general area and a great mass with a city return to the area of the new jerusalem. I then saw people begin migrating tward that area from all over the U.S. I did see tribes from south America comming as well as people from the north... The ones from the north were,I believe the lost tribes. There were not alot of people at this point, I did see small groups comming from the west and stopping at little weigh stations along the way these little stations were like little areas of light, where the people could get provisions and rest along the way as they traveled east. The next part that I was shown I ave rarely been able to share, but with only a handfull. I have prayed alot about it and the spirit is testifying that I need to share it... Please know this is very sacred to me....I was taken to the Land of Israel... there in Jerusalem I saw the jews building a temple on the area where the dome of the rock now stands. It was made of a yellowish type of stone and reminded me of the style of solomons temple. I then saw another temple there it was right by (I think to the south of ) the Jerusalem center built by the LDS church. This temple was made of grey stone and I think it was where the orson Hyde garden now is. Next I saw a council of men gathered they were very evil, The anti christ stood at the head of the table, he wore military clothes that were tan, he had dark hair and a somewhat stalky build...I will probably share more about him later... the group he was talking to represented nations from all over the world. they were planning an attack on Jerusalem. I saw them gather their forces and weaponry in a valley just below the the mount of Olives. I have been told it was the kidron valley. I then saw life within the city of Jerusalem the people had already been under attack, and small portions had held their ground and were protected by what looked like domes of clear light over them. I then saw a stone arched gateway into the city it was riddled with bullet holes, a road ran along in front of it and if you were standing by this gate you could see out over the kidron valley, to me it looked as if I was looking out over the south west toward the desert. The mount of olives was to my south I think. I have never been there physically so I can only express what I was shown. Next I saw two Young men walk out from the inner part of this gate... they where prophets, and their presence had been the Lords way of protecting the city. The people in the city were frightened but remained there. I watched these two young men face the forces of the world alone, but with the Lords power at their command. As the forces of evil began their attack, I saw these two call down the powers of heaven in defence of the city. First I saw them speak and cause great earthquakes then a large dust storm gathered over the forces of darkness. The storms blocked the militarys foces from advancing. Then I saw these evil forces plotting again. As the two prophets called down all the ancient plagues of Israel upon these evil forces, much as was done in Moses day.these two prophets cast forth judgements in righteous priesthood authority, This because they were especial witnesses of the Lord with special priesthood power and keys. Next I was the dark forces am a missle at thes two... One of the prophets raised his hand and diverted the missles. They could not be hurt. I then saw a clear dome of protection over the whole city. I again saw all the nations meet with their evil leader, who was being directed expressly by the adversary himself. these dark forces gathered together everything they could at his point in one grand push agaist these two small men and Jerusalem. It was odd to see the whole world attacking two young men.this time they succeded I feel prompted not to say how... but these evil forces killed these two. I saw them laying in the streets among broken stones and rubble. The world rejoyced at this. The evil ones then began to take over the city as little pockts of resistance held out ... no one touched the bodiesof the two prophets...I was shown it was because they were still terrified of the power these two held...so they just left them there. The area was blocked off by those in charge, and to go near the bodies was forbidden..The people would not touch them...for Gods promise was opon them. The eveil forces now had their guard down and waisted the time they had left. 3 1/2 days later I saw the bodies of the two prophets begin to stir...then everything was completly silent....then I was an enormous earthquake It was the greatest yet.Then everything was dark....and quiet... then there was a bright light in the sky....It was the Lord.... I saw the two prophets completly restored raise up inthe sky then the sky opened up just like a scroll, it split down the center and was peeled back...I could see a myriad of the host of heaven the lord was at the front in the center. The two prophets then took their place on both sides of the Lord. There were an unnumerable amount of beings with the Savior, all singing His praises.The Lord is wearing red...deep purplish red like the color of blood....HIS LIGHT IS SOOOOO BRIGHT IT FILLS EVERYTHING...HE COMES IN ALL HIS GLORY. Now the people can't deny His glory any longer...The lord commands and all obey. I heard Him command for all to repent.. it was a great voice of thunder...it shook the entire earth...all people world wide know He is here.That is when I saw every living soul kneel...many whimpered and cried, they knew they were doomed...others rejoyced with their arms and eyes held high towards their Lord..Then I saw the Lords arm extended Those who were righteous were called up and met him in the cloud of beings, they then stood behind Him.The Lord then extended his left arm and mad a sweeping motion with it over those who were left on the earth... He protected those in the sky behind Him. I watched as all of the forces of destruction were then brought upon the evil ones.The Lord commanded theEarth also and it obeyed...the land masses now moved and everything was restored to its former place.. I must tell all who read this I do not know the time or the hour... but I DO KNOW HE IS COMMING IN ALL HIS GLORY... HE WILL RETURN.. BUT BEFORE HE DOES THIS EARTH WILL BE CLEANSED AND EVERYTHING UPON IT... HE IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE FATHER...IT IS ONLY BY HIM AND THROUGH HIM THAT WE ARE REDEEMED. i WANT ALL OF YOU TO KNOW THAT i LOVE HIM BEYOND ALL EXPRESSION...i KNOW WE MUST PREPARE NOW... HE ATONED FOR ALL OF US IF WE WILL JUST ACCEPT HIS GREAT LOVE!!!

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I'm sorry Bonnie, but I wasn't given any details about Missouri, except that I do know Jackson county, Independance area is where the city of Enoch returns to. Just a note this city is enormous...

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Bill, I have also read that Wilford Woodruff had a similar vision written in his journal, not that it was him that had the vision, but that someone had sent it to him and he copied it into his journal. It talks about the state of missouri being swept so clean that there would not even be a yellow dog to wag its tail. My mother in law is trying to convince my family to move to the Kansas City area, but I think I'll wait to go to "Zion" when the exodus comes!

Jane (not hereandair) who was responding to my post of GPA's Independence Revelation.

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I saw the water levels..world wide raise, it was toward the latter end of things... but unless hawaii has some really high mountains I'd be a bit hesitant...Just go to the lord with it.Alot of people will need to be in different places so they can warn others or help out others. Too often we get our own idea of what would be best when the Lord is the best judge of where to lead us I think we need to be willing to go where the Lord needs us most.

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Tuesday, May 8, 2012

REFUGEES ON THEIR WAY TO UTAH FROM THE WEST COAST

This was found in the comments section of a previous post about West Coast disasters.  I know they are coming - as usual, I have zero clue as to when that will be.  But, I DO suppose it will be when we are fully ripened in iniquity if past precedent is to be followed:

I have seen parts of this vision. I live west of St. George and I have seen a great many travelers walking with what they could carry on the highways leading to St. George. There were very few vehicles. Most people walked. It was a peaceful journey. There was no fear of these people passing our home, but a feeling that some of them may need help and we should prepare to help them as best we could on their journey. They were saints gathering to Utah after having been called in the last days. Refugees from other areas of the country destroyed. I thought at the time some came from Phoenix. Most seemed to be city folks. I have talked with folks from other areas who have had a similar vision of saints sleeping in sleeping bags in Stake Centers in survival conditions after great calamities had happened.

Thursday, April 19, 2012

THE MEANING OF AOA - AND PARABOLAS

In my professional world, AOA is an acronym that means Angle of Attack; or the angle that the wing chord is positioned at in order to produce the maximum amount of lift during takeoff and landing. This is achieved by Horizontal Stabilizer trim and elevator inputs using the control column.

In my religious world, this acronym is one that I am fixated on because of its significance. To the Jews, the building of the third temple is something they are looking forward to. To me, activity at Adam-ondi-Ahman is a huge sign for us and I look at it with curiosity and anticipation.

I have it on good authority (second person rumor, here folks.....) from a builder of temporary and large arenas, that the request for proposal has been put in to see what it would cost for a large arena to be placed on the valley floor in what is now a large cultivated field next to the Grand River.

When I was in the MTC, my comp told me they had been on a field trip to this very field and their leader had them go about 1/4 mile down the field and stand in one spot while he stood near the far end of the valley. He spoke in a regular voice and they could hear perfectly well at such a great distance. The reason for this (as I studied and found out later) was due to it being a perfect (extremely large radius) parabola. I first experienced this phenomenon as a kid in Olympia, WA where they showed us how the Democrats of the day were able to listen in on the goings on of their opponents by placing their desk on opposite sides of the Capitol building floor (inside the dome which is parabolic in shape) and letting physics do the rest. When I visited the field approximately 10 years ago on our Nauvoo Temple dedication trip, I was not able to test this phenomenon out with the wife and kids, partly because it was being tilled by a large tractor and they probably would have been irritated by us traipsing around in the fresh soil - but you know I wanted to try it out in the worst way......

The valley at AOA is the same - but inverted; and it was used as stated to allow Adam to gather all of his righteous posterity (I am sure there were many who were getting extremely wicked and who chose to blow their old Patriarch off and not attend....), and to impart to them his last words of counsel without a loudspeaking system and using a voice that no doubt was frail and weak in its hundreds year old state. This natural phenomenon is a feature that many past civilizations have taken advantage of in order to speak to large groups of people without loud speakers and modern electronics. I have yet to do a piece about all of the valleys discovered in ancient America that have this feature and that archeologists have noted were used by the ancients for this purpose. The natural ones (without structures added) were mostly in South America, while the Romans and Greeks took advantage of this phenomenon aided by structures for seating, stages, etc. It will take me some time to dig up the info again and put it on the Wood Zone..... as it was before the creation of this beloved dumping spot.

So here is something I came across - more quotes of what we have to look forward to. As we struggle day to day with the weaknesses and temptations of this world, we have something glorious and wonderful to fix our minds upon and think about and strive to possibly be a part of:


Wilford Woodruff

What is the gospel as taught by Jesus himself? The very first principle was faith in the Messiah; this was the first principle ever taught to man. When Adam, after being driven from the garden of Eden, went to Adam-ondi-Ahman to offer sacrifice, the angel of the Lord asked him why he did so. Adam replied that he did not know, but the Lord had commanded him to do it. He was then told that the blood of bulls and goats, of rams and lambs should be spilt upon the altar as a type of the great and last sacrifice which should be offered up for the sins of the world. The first principle, then, ever taught to Father Adam was faith in the Messiah, who was to come in the meridian of time to lay down his life for the redemption of man. (The Discourses of Wilford Woodruff, p.18)

* At a conference of the Sunday School children in the old Tabernacle on the 30th of March (1873), Elder Woodruff reported Brigham Young as saying, "Joseph, the Prophet, told me that the Garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri. When Adam was driven out he went to the place we now call Adam-ondi-Ahman, Daviess County, Missouri. There he built an altar and offered sacrifice." (Wilford Woodruff, p. 481)


Joseph Smith
Daniel in his seventh chapter speaks of the Ancient of days; he means the oldest man, our Father Adam, Michael, he will call his children together and hold a council with them to prepare them for the coming of the Son of Man. He (Adam) is the father of the human family, and presides over the spirits of all men, and all that have had the keys must stand before him in this grand council. This may take place before some of us leave this stage of action. The Son of Man stands before him, and there is given him glory and dominion. Adam delivers up his stewardship to Christ, that which was delivered to him as holding the keys of the universe, but retains his standing as head of the human family. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.157)


Joseph Fielding Smith
It was in the night vision that all this was shown to Daniel, and he saw the Son of Man come to the grand council, as he did to the first grand council in the valley of Adam-ondi-Ahman, and there he received the keys from Adam "and there was given to him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed." (Dan. 7: 13-14.) In this council Christ will take over the reigns of government, officially, on this earth, and "the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him," even Jesus Christ. Until this grand council is held, Satan shall hold rule in the nations of the earth; but at that time thrones are to be cast down and man's rule shall come to an end -- for it is decreed that the Lord shall make an end of all nations. (D.C. 87:6.) Preparation for this work is now going on. Kingdoms are already tottering, some have fallen; but eventually they shall all go the way of the earth, and he shall come whose right it is to rule. Then shall he give the government to the saints of the Most High.

This council in the valley of Adam-ondi-Ahman is to be of the greatest importance to this world. At that time there will be a transfer of authority from the usurper and impostor, Lucifer, to the rightful King, Jesus Christ. Judgment will be set and all who have held keys will make their reports and deliver their stewardships, as they shall be required. Adam will direct this judgment, and then he will make his report, as the one holding the keys for this earth, to his Superior Officer, Jesus Christ. Our Lord will then assume the reins of government; directions will be given to the Priesthood; and He, whose right it is to rule, will be installed officially by the voice of the Priesthood there assembled. This grand council of Priesthood will be composed, not only of those who are faithful who now dwell on this earth, but also of the prophets and apostles of old, who have had directing authority. Others may also be there, but if so they will be there by appointment, for this is to be an official council called to attend to the most momentous matters ' concerning the destiny of this earth. (The Way to Perfection, p.289-291)


John Taylor
A great council will then be held to adjust the affairs of the world, from the commencement, over which Father Adam will preside as head and representative of the human family. . . .

Then they will assemble to regulate all these affairs, and all that held keys of authority to administer will then represent their earthly course. And as this authority has been handed down from one to another in different ages, and in different dispensations, a full reckoning will have to be made by all. All who have held the keys of priesthood will then have to give an account to those from whom they received them. Those that were in the heavens have been assisting those that were upon the earth; but then, they will unite together in a general council to give an account of their stewardships, and as in the various ages men have received their power to administer from those who had previously held the keys thereof, there will be a general account.
Those under the authorities of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have to give an account of their transactions to those who direct them in the priesthood; hence the elders give an account to presidents of conferences; and presidents of conferences to presidents of nations. Those presidents and the seventies give an account to the twelve apostles; the twelve to the First Presidency; and they to Joseph, from whom they, and the twelve, received their priesthood. This will include the arrangements of the last dispensation. Joseph delivers his authority to Peter, who held the keys before him, and delivered them to him; and Peter to Moses and Elias, who endowed him with this authority on the Mount; and they to those from whom they received them. And thus the world's affairs will be regulated and put right, the restitution of all things be accomplished, and the kingdom of God be ushered in. The earth will be delivered from under the curse, resume its paradisiacal glory, and all things pertaining to its restoration be fulfilled. [The Gospel Kingdom, p.217]