The heavens will withhold their rains and their fruitful fields be
turned into barrenness, and the waters of their rivers will be dried up, and left in standing pools, and the fish therein will die Orson Pratt (Millennial Star, vol. 28, pp 633-634, Oct. 6, 1866
Great stuff here!:
Here are some inspiring words from Albert Einstein: 💫
“I didn't arrive at my understanding of the fundamental laws of the universe through my rational mind.”
“Concerning matter, we have been all wrong. What we have called matter is energy, whose vibration has been so lowered as to be perceptible to the senses. Matter is spirit reduced to point of visibility. There is no matter.”
"Time and space are not conditions in which we live, but modes by which we think.
Physical concepts are free creations of the human mind, and are not, however it may seem, determined by the external world."
“Time does not exist – we invented it. Time is what the clock says. The distinction between the past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.”
“I think 99 times and find nothing. I stop thinking, swim in silence, and the truth comes to me."
"The intellect has little to do on the road to discovery. There comes a leap in consciousness, call it intuition or what you will, the solution comes to you and you don’t know how or why.”
"A human being experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
"Our separation from each other is an optical illusion."
“When something vibrates, the electrons of the entire universe resonate with it. Everything is connected. The greatest tragedy of human existence is the illusion of separateness.”
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.”
“We are souls dressed up in sacred biochemical garments and our bodies are the instruments through which our souls play their music.”
“When you examine the lives of the most influential people who have ever walked among us, you discover one thread that winds through them all. They have been aligned first with their spiritual nature and only then with their physical selves.”
“The true value of a human being can be found in the degree to which he has attained liberation from the self.”
“The ancients knew something, which we seem to have forgotten.”
“The more I learn of physics, the more I am drawn to metaphysics.”
“One thing I have learned in a long life: that all our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike. We still do not know one thousandth of one percent of what nature has revealed to us. It is entirely possible that behind the perception of our senses, worlds are hidden of which we are unaware.”
“I’m not an atheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books.”
"The common idea that I am an atheist is based on a big mistake. Anyone who interprets my scientific theories this way, did not understand them."
"Everything is determined, every beginning and ending, by forces over which we have no control. It is determined for the insect, as well as for the star. Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust, we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible piper."
“The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It will transcend a personal God and avoid dogma and theology.”
“Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another.”
“Everything is energy and that is all there is to it. Match the frequency of the reality you want and you can not help but get that reality. It can be no other way. This is not philosophy. This is physics.”
"I am happy because I want nothing from anyone. I do not care about money. Decorations, titles or distinctions mean nothing to me. I do not crave praise. I claim credit for nothing. A happy man is too satisfied with the present to dwell too much on the future."
This article poses interesting questions that Eliza R Snow presented in some of her poetry/hymns as she sought to promulgate some of the more finely tuned teachings of her husband, Joseph Smith:
https://www.livescience.com/could-earth-leave-solar-system
For the polygamy deniers out there, I just laugh. She got most of her high line concepts from Joseph and he only shared with those closest to him in his inner circles.
Sadly, you will find few of those teachings promoted by Emma because her mind was often not expansive enough to receive them.
Folks, this is getting dire in almost all of the Northern Hemisphere just as the Bishop Koyle and Defanawida prophecies state it would.
Be prepared for some extreme food security issues here shortly as God preaches His sermons in unforgettable ways:
The time to repent is now.
Well, I would not be writing this piece had a friend of mine not thrown her membership (the endowment, the temple ordinances, the baptismal ordinances, Priesthood authority and power) and so much else under the bus, when things got (admittedly) a little dicey with the whole needle hanging out of President Nelson's arm scenario. Since that time, it has been a pretty steady public attack of things that I hold sacred - all the while stating that no contention is intended by it. Well, if someone were to come out and, either privately or publicly, call my wife a whore while stating that it was not meant to be contentious, I would call BS at the very least and then would warn them that their teeth may be in danger of meeting their tonsils if they did not cease and desist. If not entirely making the meeting come about in order to defend my wife's good name and send a clear message.... I am just about as passionate for those who cannot defend themselves, who are convicted in the public court of opinion and under today's measuring stick and not under the measuring stick of the day. To illustrate this point; one comment on my friend's post was deriding the Lion House as if it were some filthy house of adultery or of some orgiastic meeting place of Brigham and his filthy or controlled women. Folks, I can assure you that Brigham (first of all) did not have anything to do with the murder of Joseph Smith. To assert that is pure mental illness and illogical beyond belief. Clearly not thought out, at a minimum. In a Levirite fashion, Brigham took on several of the living wives of Joseph who had no other means of support - in a day when there was NO other social safety net for widows, etc. The Lion House was built partly for that. Those that assert otherwise are logical Lilliputians - diminutive in thinking and rational logic.... Almost more than an engineer can deal with.... I can assure you that one of the great feminists of the day and occupants of the Lion House - and wife of both Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, Eliza R. Snow would have shut down anything that was beyond the pale in those circumstances. She was no slack. So, by inference, when you throw Brother Brigham under the bus, you also throw her under the bus as a stupid lackey who had no power to effect any change in an alleged twisted and horribly dysfunctional situation. And a woman who clearly backed the concept of plurality of wives, of which she partook.
So, if you choose, as a diminutive Lilliputian, to throw another great under the bus, be my guest - but it reflects more on your state of mind and your state of spiritual being than it does on the actual facts, events and goings on of the day. When logic breaks down and mental illness takes over (often fueled by instances of abuse - admittedly, many who seek to tear down the principles laid out in Section 132 as nefarious or aggregious abuses of women, are simply those who have been victims of abuse and see things through a colored lens instead of things as they are), the agenda is manifest. Sadly, in my friend's case, she is a victim of her dad's sexual deviancy. That is indeed beyond sad. My wife was also a victim of this at the hands of her drunken step-dad. But, where things went south in my friend's arguments, was that she was somehow a "child bride" of her father and that this was somehow tied into Brigham's "twisted" practices with underage girls, etc (none of which I am aware of). The logical fallacies are too many to get into right now. In the twisted thinking of someone who has been sexually abused - it is impossible to ferret logic out. I know because I have dealt with my wife's condition and sometimes false allegations and/or assumptions for the last two decades when the manic mind has taken over. I know the patterns quite well.
So, having given that background, I will get into my story of my testimony of plural marriage. It is a long and sordid tale, so I hope you will bear with me and enjoy this ride.
It all started with the loss of my middle child to SIDS:
Most posts to this blog are of a second coming nature - not personal - but this one was so huge and so impacting to me, I have to add something about it. This is a work in progress as I have more time. I literally could write a book on what my wife and I went through and still not get through it all.
On April 4th, 2002 at approx. 1:45am, our lives were changed forever when our little Dallin Jacob Wood was called home to prepare for what most of us will probably go through in our lifetimes. The massive influx of people into the Spirit World as the world goes through the massive upheavals that are soon to be upon us. While we are organized here and have much work to do for our temporal salvation, there is much that is going on "over there" that requires manpower, organization, and direction. This "seed blog entry" will get rather enormous as time goes on. I had an old friend from Facebook mention that her mother had died - a truly wonderful woman whose time it simply was to go home for a purpose few of us here might understand. Here is a note that I sent her:
Vicki,I was sorry to hear about your mother. Without regular contact, I just assumed Victor and your mother were living out their lives. I saw your dad was on FB. I am sure it simply was her time to go - there is so much more going on over there than we can imagine. The work to redeem the human family is massive and accelerating beyond our comprehension as the millennium approaches.I will not force it on you - and would be more than happy to pop a copy of that book (Life Everlasting) I mentioned in the mail - but it is a most amazing work. Death is really just a change of state to a greater and more exciting part of the adventure of our eternal life. Just let me know if you are interested in the book. Like I said, it is so good that I keep loaners around for interested people.Yes, our little guy was called home around 9 months old and it really was supposed to happen. I was actually supposed to go home that year that he was taken home - and had known that since a few months before I came home from my mission. My wife just brushed me off as crazy when I turned 33 and would not follow my advice to seek out a life insurance policy big enough to take care of her and the kids if I were taken (her own father was taken in the Vietnam war and Shawna and her mother were left with few options). Notwithstanding the fact she didn't take me seriously, my wife had a premonition of impending death two weeks before Dallin's death and was literally allowed to choose that it not be me who was sent home on errand. Maybe a little hard to comprehend, but a true statement. My Grandpa Matheson, the old Cedar City Stake Patriarch was calling the shots from the other side and needed help. Off the charts wild - but we had three independent people in our family that had simultaneous manifestations within a day or two that confirmed it. I had an incredible 2 yr. mission by any stretch - similar to John H. Groberg's - but losing our little guy was THE most spiritually affirming thing that has ever happened to me/us. It was pretty hard on the oldest two kids, though. They were too young to fully comprehend what was going on.I run a blog that has some pretty wild stuff like this in it and I just have not had the time to get the whole scenario down - but at some point, I will blog all of the incredible things that happened to us. I can honestly say that I know that God lives and there is an entire "situation" around us that most people simply do not comprehend or have an awareness of. The veil was very thin for months after he crossed over.Anyway, sorry to get so deep but I just have to pass on the hope and insight I have gained.Thanks for sharing about your mother - I wasn't sure if it would be polite to ask in a public forum.
Iraq.
Here is a wonderful quote by Joseph Smith on the death of a loved one:
I think this quote sums this little guy's life up,
"The Lord takes many away, even in infancy, that they may escape the envy of man, and the sorrows and evils of this present world; they were too pure, too lovely, to live on earth; therefore, if rightly considered, instead of mourning, we have reason to rejoice, as they are delivered from evil and we shall soon have them again. The only difference between the old and young dying is, one lives longer in heaven in eternal light and glory than the other, and is freed a little sooner from this miserable, wicked world. Notwithstanding all this glory, we for a moment, lose sight of it, and mourn the loss, but we do not mourn as those without hope (through Christ).
Joseph Smith.
Another blog piece on this topic:
I just got done reading a thoughtful blog on the topic - I like to read up on this topic that seems to bring out so much human angst and emotion. In my marriage to my sweetheart, we have shared many a heart-felt hour poring over the topic. We both are at peace with the doctrine - 18 years later. BTW - I have no intention of attempting it in this life - way too much difficulty in providing for my small family and meeting all the needs of them and my dear wife. The challenges of another set of logistics would be daunting - the daily crush of meeting just the basic physical needs of one family unit is just too much. However, I know it is completely possible to make it happen - especially in a place where temporal matters do not exist.
Clearly, Abraham and most all of the greats of time participated in it and Jesus himself apparently did having at least two, if not three wives that we are aware of. Jesus put his stamp on it when he declared that he does the works that Abraham did (what else could that mean?) and that Abraham himself was enthroned in heaven as a God. If Abraham were a vile person, that statement simply would NOT have been made. So, what does all this mean?
It comes down to personal testimony and a deep and abiding understanding/testimony of the law of consecration and stewardship (simply being asked to take care of something to the full measure of its necessity, and then doing it). When my wife was struggling with the effects of mental illness tied to the lack of B-12 in her diet and post-partum issues (an earlier post), I was beside myself and wanted to walk away. It was in my extremity that I had a heavenly intervention and fully learned the concept of consecration and stewardship. It was at that point that I feel I won the (true) love of my wife and the approbation of God. I had prayed mightily and asked to be released from that trial - and indeed received permission to walk away, if that were my choice as there is true agency in everything - but I also would have sacrificed ALL blessings tied to enduring to the end and never learned the pivotal lesson of life and Christ-like living.
So what does this have to do with polygamy? My mother passed away six months after my wife and I lost our 9 month old son. Before she died, I remember her many times telling my father that he was under no circumstances to marry another woman if she were to go first. Precisely because she would potentially have another to deal with on the other side - and did not want things to be messy. One thing my mother was - was the stereotypical jealous woman. If another woman so much as gave my father a sideways glance, my mother was all over it. I was intrigued by that human characteristic in my mother as I watched it growing up. So, the night my kid passed away, I was blessed with a particularly poignant dream in which I was shown what would befall my wife and I for the next three years as we passed through the healing process of losing our little treasure from heaven. The second part of that dream involved knowing that "everything would be alright" given with a distinct sign. We puzzled over that until my father gave me a call out of the blue a month after my mother died on Christmas day. He related that my boy and my mother had visited him in the night in an open (waking) vision and had set the record straight and given him other counsel. My boy was just there as a bonus or priesthood representative (he had been called over to the other side by my G-g-gfather because "he needed more help attending to family business"). Well, Dallin (my boy) was helping out with that kind of thing obviously in a big way. The one portion of the message my mother gave to my father was that she was wrong in her desire that he not marry another and that he should proceed as soon as possible and be fulfilled and happy in the remaining years of his life. My boy in his spirit form and according to my father, was slightly taller and broader shouldered than I was when I was in my prime at around 25 years of age. He described my mother as in her prime - about how she looked like when she and my father were married in their mid-twenties. So, for all the people who struggle with that doctrine of God - and I am not aware of too many women that don't - here is my little piece of the puzzle. I know my dad is not making it up (speaking strictly from a logical standpoint) so that he could run off and immediately get re-married without waiting the requisite 2-3 year period, as some of my female siblings have accused.... I know that, simply because he did not know the details of the second portion of my dream I had the night my kid died and could not have known exactly how those details dovetailed into the impeccable timing of his phone call to me. A complete improbability. It simply happened, as stated.
So many people will kick against the pricks - many will leave the Church and allow themselves all kinds of excuses based on that doctrine that seems to be even more divisive than even the hellish practice of abortion. After what my wife and I have passed thru, it is safe to say that we understand the concept of stewardship as God intended it. When our child was called over to the other side to accomplish God's purposes, our time of nurturing was over and we had to comply with a heavy heart but with an attitude of "Not my will, but thine be done". Not quite an Abrahamic test by any means; as our son was not handed over, nor did we have to build an altar and gather the sticks for the ultimate test in obedience, but when it was all said and done, we did have to endure with faith and without angry recrimination at God for having allowed us to pass through such a trial as that one.
Reading some of the early writings of how the wives of polygamous marriages gained a "testimony" of the principle, I am astounded at their faith. God did not leave them alone to mourn - but gave most all of them fantastic experiences in order to endure their ordeal in faith and long-suffering; just as my wife and I were given our faith-building experience in the face of tragedy.
Here is the quote from the blog topic on plural marriage that got me going down this bunny trail:
My wife’s ancestor, Sarah Levitt, was present during the early Nauvoo period. She asked her husband if she would have to share him. He encouraged her to pray about it. She had a dream. In the dream she was told that she wouldn’t have to share her husband (he died later). She wrote that she had a vision of the heavenly order and the beauty of it. She also wrote that the practice would be the means of “saving thousands and damning thousands. It was too sacred for fools to handle.”
Truly, the most powerful doctrines of the restored gospel are too powerful for fools to handle - precisely why they are so divisive and are used to separate the wise and foolish virgins in preparation for the glory that may come in the following life, if obedience is the outcome and not the rebellion of the "wise and learned" who think to counsel God and his servants.
Wow, we are pretty much here after 60 years. What has been spoken of in Visions of Glory and OT prophecy:
Me just minding my own business listening to conference when Spencer W. Kimball drops the mic! I’ve listened to, watched, or read over 4500 conference talks. NEVER have I ever heard a prophet talk like Kimball did. He said, and I quote:
"Jesus Christ our Lord is under no obligation to save this world. The people have ignored him, disbelieved him, failed to follow him. They stand at his mercy which will be extended only if they repent...
Will we ever turn wholly to God? Fear envelops the world which could be at ease and peace. In God is protection, safety, peace. He has said, "I will fight your battles." But his commitment is on condition of our faithfulness. He promised to the children of Israel:
"I will give you rain in due season,"
The land shall yield her increase and trees their fruit.
Granaries and barns will bulge in seed time and harvest.
Ye shall eat your bread in abundance.
Ye shall dwell in your land safely and none shall make you afraid.
Neither shall the sword go through your land.
And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: . . . (See Leviticus 26:4-6, 8.)
But if you fail to serve me:
The land will be barren, (perhaps radioactive or dry from drought.)
The trees will be without fruit and the fields without verdure.
There will be rationing and a scarcity of food and hunger sore.
No traffic will jam your desolate highways.
Famine will stalk rudely through your doors and the ogre cannibalism will rob you of your children and your remaining virtues.
There will be pestilence uncontrollable.
Your dead bodies will be piled upon the materialistic things you sought so hard to accumulate and save.
I will give no protection against enemies.
They that hate you shall reign over you.
There will be faintness of heart "and the sound of a shaken leaf' shall chase you into flight and you will fall when none pursueth.
Your power — your supremacy — your pride in superiority — will be broken.
Your heaven shall be as iron and your earth as brass. Heaven will not hear your pleadings nor earth bring forth her harvest.
Your strength will be spent in vain as you plow and plant and cultivate.
Your cities will be shambles, your churches in ruins.
Your enemies will be astonished at the barrenness, sterility, desolation of the land they had been told was so choice, so beautiful, so fruitful.
Then shall the land enjoy her Sabbaths under compulsion.
And ye shall have no power to stand before your enemies.
And your people will be scattered among the nations as slaves and bondsmen.
You will pay tribute and bondage and fetters shall bind you."
Spencer W. Kimball
Conference Report, Oct. 1961, Pages 31-32 (Click here for the full talk https://mylifebygogogoff.com/2022/08/spencer-w-kimball-a-prophetic-warning-to-the-world-october-1961-general-conference.html)
Truly WE WERE WARNED.
#WeWereWarned
Sadly, we have become a culture of followers. Yes, we do make covenants to sustain our leaders. Never once have I heard that this entails following blindly. Blind obedience is of the devil - and likely why 1/3 of our premortal cohorts ended up in the mess they did....
One of my least favorite Primary songs is "Follow the Prophet". Kids need to learn to follow the HG and, if the Prophet speaks words under the dictation of the HG - which point to Christ and Christ only - then those words can be taken to heart. It is very simple....
Here is the quote from Servodog:
The Prophet Joseph Smith taught: "We have heard men who hold the Priesthood remark, that they would do anything they were told to do by those who presided over them, if they knew it was wrong: but such obedience as this is worse than folly to us; it is slavery in the extreme; and the man who would thus willingly degrade himself, should not claim a rank among intelligent beings, until he turns from his folly. A man of God, who seeks for the redemption of his fellows, would despise the idea of seeing another become his slave, who had an equal right with himself to the favour of God; he would rather see him stand by his side, a sworn enemy to wrong, so long as there was place found for it among men. Others, in the extreme exercise of their almighty (!) authority, have taught that such obedience was necessary, and that no matter what the Saints were told to do by their Presidents, they should do it without asking any questions. When the Elders of Israel will so far indulge in these extreme notions of obedience, as to teach them to the people, it is generally because they have it in their hearts to do wrong themselves, and wish to pave the way to accomplish that wrong; or else because they have done wrong, and wish to use the cloak of their authority to cover it with, lest it should be discovered by their superiors, who would require an atonement at their hands. [1] “President Joseph Smith read the 14th chapter of Ezekiel – said the Lord had declared by the Prophet [Ezekiel], that the people should each stand for himself, and depend on no man or men in that state of corruption of the Jewish Church – that righteous persons could only deliver their own souls – applied it to the present state [1842] of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints – said if the people departed from the Lord, they must fall – that they were depending on the Prophet, hence were darkened in their minds, in consequence of neglecting the duties devolving upon themselves...” If any man writes to you, or preaches to you, doctrines contrary to the Bible, the Book of Mormon, or the Book of Doctrine and Covenants, set him down as an imposter” (Times and Seasons, April 1, 1844). Here is a quote from a LDS Prophet from the early 1900's Joseph F Smith "When prophets write and speak on the principles of the gospel, they should have the guidance of the Spirit. If they do, then all that they say will be in harmony with the revealed word. If they are in harmony then we know that they have not spoken presumptuously. Should a man speak or write, and what he says is in conflict with the standards which are accepted, with the revelations the Lord has given, then we may reject what he has said, no matter who he is…. Here are two more quotes from LDS prophets from the 1970's Joseph Fielding Smith “It makes no difference what is written or what anyone has said, if what has been said is in conflict with what the Lord has revealed, we can set it aside. My words, and the teachings of any other member of the Church, high or low, if they do not square with the revelations, we need not accept them. Let us have this matter clear. We have accepted the four standard works as the measuring yardsticks, or balances, by which we measure every man’s doctrine. Harold B Lee If anyone, regardless of his position in the Church, were to advance a doctrine that is not substantiated by the standard Church works, meaning the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price, you may know that his statement is merely his private opinion. The only one authorized to bring forth any new doctrine is the President of the Church, who, when he does, will declare it as revelation from God, and it will be so accepted by the Council of the Twelve and sustained by the body of the Church. And if any man speak a doctrine which contradicts what is in the standard Church works ( Bible, Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants), you may know by that same token that it is false and you are not bound to accept it as truth.
So, I just broke a Wood Zone record with 23 comments on a single post. Obviously I hit a nerve (on both sides of the shaht topic). Some say I am apostate for saying I believe that the shaht is not safe, nor effective. Until I find evidence to the contrary, I will maintain that position. Truth is truth. You cannot sugar coat dog poop.... There is a great meme on FB that states what I have experienced: there is not a single person alive who regrets not haven gotten the poke, but so many who regret taking it..... Very true.
I feel like we had a wheat/tares moment. A five virgins moment. A "will you follow a mere mortal blindly?" moment. Or will you decide for yourself what you will do? Will you follow the Holy Ghost or the counsel of the Savior or will you listen to a weasel like Ouchie Fouchi?!? What a snake! While I like some of the personalities among those in Church leadership, I will never engage in dangerous personality (idol) worship. Nor will I speak ill of my leaders - all of whom have foibles as mere mortals. I just simply assign a value to their words (I use a scale of 1-10 and assign their words collectively a value and individually). Some things I take completely to heart, some things I simply dismiss.
Here is a load of comments - and of course, someone looked up the BY quote for me (thank you!). And again, I usually do not jump into the foray - but I would say this shaht thing is more controversial/impacting on the membership than anything since Joseph was gunned down in Carthage. Many have left the Church (at both times - and fragmentation and discord have been the norm). I have a friend who finally severed her ties to the Church. An incredible warrioress - but I knew she was going down that bunny trail. I am so sad for her. She and many others who are the backbone of the organization are literally fulfilling prophecy by doing so. Membership in God's Kingdom is a big deal. We are far from the point of no return. I am waiting for the purge for the score to even out and then going from there. To walk away from the doctrine when the going gets a little bumpy is folly, in my humble opinion. The Savior asked the Apostles if they were done when things got a little dicey. I think it is a little premature to abandon ship when there is no place else to go. It is one thing if there was another lilly pad to jump to, but there is nothing. To jump ship, one basically has to (or eventually will) deny or walk away from many other things. There are pockets of DoC all over the place who are just waiting for the walking wounded to fall into their arms, offering respite from the "horrors" of the LDS church. Fact is this; they are throwing stones from their glass houses and grasping at things that they will have to one day pay for having said or entertained the thought of. Words mean things. To say that the endowment is "ritual" or that the Church is a "cult" is so far from the pale, it is not funny. To say that Brigham and John Taylor murdered Joseph Smith or were in on it as co-conspirators just makes me laugh. I have read the words of both. I have received angelic and visionary confirmation of the concept of plural marriage which backs up Secton 132 and the words and practices of Brigham Young and so many others who were in the bosom of Joseph. We have no idea what awaits us on the other side. But this is for sure: those who rise up to condemn others who are greater than themselves will pay a heavy price for their loose words - and for those that they happened to lead down the primrose path.
On that same note, it may be possible that those who have led astray over the shaht and led to the misery and deaths of many souls will have to pay a heavy price. Whether intentional or not, words mean something and they cannot be pulled back once launched. I would rather say nothing - than say or do something as one with authority, than to do something and lead many astray.
We will have to see how this all plays out. But, this I do know: it is all part of the sifting and we need to act carefully and intentionally. Our salvation is at stake.
You have gone too far. You actually think God would allow our prophet to be leading us astray? I have followed your blog for like 10 plus years but it’s officially time for me to say goodbye. You’re slowly falling into strange paths.
I know for sure that President Nelson is a prophet of God and is our mouth piece from
God. He and the brethren love and lead this- His church. God would not allow him to be corrupt. And lead us astray. I encourage you to put the shot needle issue on the shelf. And trust that you’ll understand it all later (if that’s what you’re really hung up
About) you need to read
And then review what “following the Holy Ghost” means.
I suggest watching Patterns of Light by Elder Bednar - it’s a 3 part series.
Revelation comes bits at a time and we can’t see everything at once. I do know that anything our prophet says would never lead us contrary to our own good. I’m sad that you are so boldly considering that some
Other powers are controlling the church.
What are you talking about! Are
You crazy?
Best of luck.z I truly hope you’ll be able
To repent and realign yourself with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Read your D & C and pray for forgiveness for breaking your temple covenants and evil speaking of our leadership.
really you honestly believe the shot was safe and effective and our leaders like fauci are great government leaders, dude you have been drinking the cool-aid too long, all three statements were bologna, use the spirit which pres nelson told you too. his statement wasnt on official paper, your government is run totally by gadiaton robbers, time to wake up
DeleteWell I believe that the Savior is at the Head of His true Church.
DeleteThe temple says evil speaking of the Lord’s anointed. Period. Is it evil, if it’s truth? Does anointed only apply to leadership, or every person who has been anointed in the temple? We can’t build on a false foundation. In order to be redeemed, our foundation and trust must only be on JESUS CHRIST.
DeleteThere zero chance that the Lord endorsed the CV jab for anyone, or inspired a single soul to take it to save their lives. It was not a "miracle we've been praying for." Quite the contrary. It's provably true that covid and the jab are both man-made crimes on humanity, so to believe that the Lord had anything to do with it, or would want us to take that drug while saying nothing about natural immunity, is to suggest that the Lord endorsed the crime.
I'm sure the Holy Ghost allayed fears to people who had no choice but to take it, and healed them. I don't doubt that. But Elder Bednar himself said that church's covid policy was based on President Nelson's history as a doctor, not revelation. Well, most doctors were hoodwinked by the criminals. This fact was obvious to some of us from the get-go. It's becoming obvious to those who will are finally waking up.
None of this means President Nelson isn't a prophet. It simply means he's human like the rest of us. This jab issue exposed a big cultural flaw in the church: too many members put their faith in men and are not following Nelson's Hear Him council--which actually was the inspiration he should have emphasized during covid--rather than reiterating government propaganda word for word. Let's hope the church leadership learned a lesson. (Something tells me that they didn't, and they'll continue pushing CDC guidance as a matter of (uninspired) vax policy.) Well find out this Fall.
How can you say “there is zero chance” ? That means you have no faith, hope, or belief. You actually KNOW for a fact. So God told you face to face that vaccine didn’t help save lives?
DeleteI’d love some quotes where BY and JS repudiated this idea that the prophet is infallible. Could you please share?
"None are required to tamely and blindly submit to a man because he has a portion of the Priesthood" (Brigham Young - Millennial Star 1852).
“We have heard men who hold the priesthood remark that they would do anything they were told to do by those who preside over them even if they knew it was wrong; but such obedience is worse than folly to us; it is slavery in the extreme; and the man who would thus willingly degrade himself, should not claim a rank among intelligent beings, until he turns from his folly. A man of God would despise the idea. Others, in the extreme exercise of their almighty authority have taught that such obedience was necessary, and that no matter what the saints were told to do by their presidents, they should do it without any questions. When Elders of Israel will so far indulge in these extreme notions of obedience as to teach them to the people, it is generally because they have it in their hearts to do wrong themselves, and wish to pave the way to accomplish that wrong, and wish to use the cloak of their authority to cover it with;” (Joseph Smith Millennial Star, vol.14 #38, page 593-95).
This is a question that has really bothered me, why did President Nelson take the vaccines and push them on Church members? If you want to know the answer, turn to the scriptures. Read Daniel 8 which explains that in latter days the holy and mighty people are destroyed. A people are only holy if they make and keep covenants, so this must be referring to us. How do you destroy such a people? By leading them astray. How do you lead them astray? Through their leaders.
President Nelson is Judas Iscariot that the Lord allowed into his position because the Church was apostatizing through worldliness, pornography, and greed. (Isaiah 30:9-14)
If you will ask Heavenly Father to show you the truth about President Nelson He will tell you what He told me and lead you to the sources to prove it. I would have done anything President Nelson asked, and I did. But know I know that man is a nightmare.
Remember that the Lord taught the Nephites that "all things" in Isaiah have a dual nature and "have been and shall be". That means that everything in Isaiah was written for our day. The go and read Isaiah 1, 3, 28, 30. Read D&C 64 and ask yourself, if the Lord is obviously talking about the presiding bishop in v. 40 why do people think the Lord is talking about the prophet of Parowan or the Community of Christ apostles in v. 39? He isn't.
Read section 85 and ask yourself who is the one who steadies the ark. He was called of God and appointed, so who is it?
Read section 101 and ask yourself what the parable of the nobleman and the olive trees means? I bet when the Ensign Peak investments was unveiled the Church leaders wish they could get rid of that section. How could a parable be more prophetic? It couldn't.
I know this is painful but the truth was revealed in the scriptures. Search them and then look at the fruits of this prophet. Not his words, but his works. WEF and UNICEF membership. Church meetings suspended for over a year and the temples closed. NAACP donations. Because of fungibility we have funded abortion through out donations to UNICEF and the NAACP. Politically correct pronouns at BYU women's conference (trust me, he was aware of that presentation before it happened and after, too).
It's a lot to take in, but have faith. This is part of the Lord's plan and if we'll have faith in the Lord maybe we'll get to see Zion. That's my hope. If you cannot receive this message, then delete it. But remember, when we come before Christ you cannot say you weren't warned.
100% not possible. What you are saying is Blasphemy. And I equally promise you that in the end, your eyes will be opened to know that Russel Nelson was one of the greatest prophets of the Last Days
DeleteLOL, you guys are too much. Iraq and all of you should renounce your membership and get it over with. You all must be listening to the wrong spirit. President Nelsen is absolutely the prophet of God for this Latter Day church. You’d get closer to God and stop this nonsense by abiding his counsel. You all are very lost regardless of what counter argument you have. Many of you have made sacred covenants to not speak evil of the Lords anointed… yet you continue to do so. I invite you to repent. For it is surely needed.
DeleteYou won’t see Zion with your apostate views. Might as well remove your name from records of the Church.
DeleteAnonymous, stating that it is impossible for the prophet to fall is what is actual blasphemy. That's because blasphemy is either denigrating deity or considering a man to be deity and that's what you're doing with President Nelson, whether you realize it or not. Instead of using ad hominem attacks, why don't you address the substance of my arguments? Did I misuse scriptures or did I write something that is non-scriptural? If not, why do you attack me? It's because you are blind and cannot see the truth. We are to live by every word of God, but why do you ignore Deuteronomy 18:20-22? "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass...the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."
The First Presidency pushed the Covid-19 vaccines when they stated unequivocally that those vaccines are safe and effective in a letter to the Church which bore the name of the Lord. Anyone who thinks that those vaccines are safe and effective is really, really not paying attention. The CDC admits that they aren't effective in the least and there are tons of studies, statistics, and insurance reports (all-cause mortality up 40 percent in one state which is like a 1 in a trillion year event) that show that they are quite dangerous. So, why don't you believe the Lord's prophet Moses? Didn't the Lord state that we live by ALL of His words?
Why should I remove my name from the Church records? This isn't Russell Nelson's church, although he acts like it is with his huge birthday parties and church provided full-sized cutouts for selfies.
This is the Savior's church and I believe He will send one mighty and strong to set the Church in order soon enough (D&C 85). Your harshness towards me is vaguely reminiscent of the Jews of olden times. I'll try to stick with the word of God, if the current prophet starts to violate it, and I'm pretty sure that's what Heavenly Father would want.
Speaking the truth is not speaking evil of the Lord's anointed. Otherwise, it would make the scriptures non-sensical. It clearly states in JST Mark 9:46 that if our eye...him that is appointed to watch over thee to show thee light, become a transgressor...pluck him out. How are we to do this if we can't make true accusations against the Lord's anointed? In D&C 107:82-84 it outlines the process for excommunicating the president of the Church. Why would the Lord put something like that into the scriptures if He were to forbid us from ever making true accusations? This interpretation of the temple ordinance stands the Lord's word on its head.
Delete"And, to be perfectly frank, there have been times when members or leaders in the Church have simply made mistakes. There may have been things said or done that were not in harmony with our values, principles, or doctrine.
I suppose the Church would be perfect only if it were run by perfect beings. God is perfect, and His doctrine is pure. But He works through us—His imperfect children—and imperfect people make mistakes.
In the title page of the Book of Mormon we read, “And now, if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment-seat of Christ.”
This is the way it has always been and will be until the perfect day when Christ Himself reigns personally upon the earth.
It is unfortunate that some have stumbled because of mistakes made by men. But in spite of this, the eternal truth of the restored gospel found in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not tarnished, diminished, or destroyed."
"Come, Join with Us", Dieter F. Uchtdorf, October 2013 General Conference
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2013/10/come-join-with-us?id=title8,p38-p42&lang=eng#title8
As I look back over this blog it reads very much like a blog someone like Chad Daybell would keep. Someone who thinks he knows things he can’t. He can never be wrong. A narcissist to the highest degree. But, the beauty of this life is we have the Atonement to make things right. The author of this blog is loved so much by our Heavenly Father that these apostate writings can be forgiven and forgotten. I can tell also, by the little I have read, that the author has a great sense of humor and under all of this bluster a great personality and means well. Somehow though he has lost his way. This last blog post was the most shocking, and reading a couple of comments written by followers of this same apostate attitude has caused me to write this comment myself, though I know it won’t make it to the comment section.
ReplyDeleteFor those flinging the apostate accusations, be thou humble, like President Joseph Fielding Smith.
In 1961, Joseph Fielding Smith stated that man would never land on the moon. When then-President Joseph Fielding Smith was asked about this during a 1971 press conference, he responded humbly, “Well, I was wrong, wasn’t I?”
The clot shot was designed, created,
distributed, and pushed by those with evil intent. If you do not know this, you have denied the spirit, are willfully blind, and ignored president Nelson's counsel.
There are a number of careless accusations of apostasy being thrown around in these comments. I'm trying to understand where that's coming from. It's not apostasy to be an honest seeker of truth, and Iraq seems to be a genuine seeker of truth.
President Nelson, in his position as president of the church, and knowing that people follow his every word, made a statement that is objectivity untrue. He claimed (repeating the script provided by the "wise" government leaders) that the shots were safe and effective. It's demonstrably not safe as there are hundreds of thousands of recorded injuries and deaths directly associated with the shots. It's also clearly not effective by any definition of the word.
So, if you belive that a prophet is infallible and is always speaking the words of Christ, that presents you with a pickle. Either you accept the falsehood that was uttered as truth, or you have a crisis of faith.
On the other hand, if you acknowledge that prophets are men doing their best and many times get it wrong, and sometimes spectacularly so, you don't have to worry about it. "Follow the prophet" is an incorrect principle. The correct version is Follow Christ, and heed the counsel of prophets when they are preaching of Christ.
Those who claim a prophet can't lead people in error don't understand two key principles. First, the Lord said cursed is he that putteth his trust in the arm of flesh. That includes prophets. Our trust is to be in Christ and Christ alone. The second is agency. No matter your calling or position, God will never take away your agency, even if we use it for ill or in ignorance. God would not "take out" a prophet before he says something incorrect. That notion is a lie and does not align with scripture.
This is a test.. we're not here to just go along with the crowd, even in church. We're to be tested, and that includes testing whether we'll trust in Christ, even if it goes against what we've been taught our whole lives, and even if it goes against what a trusted man (but still arm of the flesh) tells us to do.
Seeking truth and calling out error isn't apostasy. It's how we progress.
I can't believe how many people here think that the church president is also their pharmacist. Those of you playing the Prophet card to justify taking an injection of what's literally a bioweapon are what's wrong with church culture. You're zombies who think #HearHim means listen only to the LDS church president (a mortal) rather than engaging your brain. President Nelson is a good man but obviously wasn't following the Fauci/IHC/CDC crime. Did you know that DNA sequencing patented by Moderna was found in Covid 19 (the virus)? The patent was filed three years before covid hit. This means that the vax makers also made the virus! But yeah, if you feel good about playing that self-righteous Prophet card on fellow members who aren't as gullible as you, go ahead. We'll sit back and watch you walk of the cliff with every other lemming.
ReplyDeleteRead it and weep. For those of you who don't understand the basic concept of a prophet. https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/latter-day-saints-get-wrong-about-living-prophets
Well, I just had one of my favorite people over to visit and trade some of her stuff for some of our stuff from the garden. We were away on vacation for a few weeks and these things were building up in her garden. We just got our freeze dryer, so they will be the first batch to be made into zuke powder that my wife can use as a type of flour.
This gal is native and a visionary and we get each other about that kind of thing (though she is much much more visionary than I am) and we were joking around about the black body bags and making a move on the neighbor's stuff (honey from their hives) before the two body bags appear in front of my door.
If you are a regular reader, you will recall that some time ago I had a day vision (only one I have ever had) in response to the frustration that no one was listening to my warnings that there will be a terrible plague and the third wave will be quite deadly. Even though this is scriptural, no one wants to hear of it. Too busy enjoying Babylon's enticings, I guess? This is the opposite of the Savior's injunction to be in the world - but not of it. A hard balance/juggle to maintain. So enticing, the delicious things of the world!
Anyway, as I was picturing the black body bags as I saw them sequenced first looking to the east at the curb in front of the house next door, then at our curb and then down the street with at least one body bag in front of every house.
I was running through that vision and realized that I was shown things sequentially: looking from east to west. The temple is just east of me. As I was reviewing that vision, and the east to west sequence of the panorama of body bags, I looked out my window (in real time) and the thought popped into my mind: "In my House shall it begin." I then looked out my window at the Cardston Temple and then traced the view of the vision that I was given. Moving from east to west. Impressions like that is usually how I am taught.
Could it be that the curse will literally emanate from the physical Lord's House? I have to think that this is the case - or will be the case. It may be like the days of old - when the power and glory used to emanate from the Holy Place, from the seat of mercy and judgment.
Actions speak so much louder than words. As soon as they showed President Nelson getting the injection on TV, my parents who up until that point were skeptical, immediately went out and got it.
ReplyDelete