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Thursday, June 16, 2016

THE CALL TO FLEE FROM THE WRATH TO COME

I interpret this vision as rioting and cities burning - and then Russia/China hitting the US with nukes to finish the deal.  This, because we have forsaken God as a nation.  We have chosen our path and sealed our fate.  Only those who have gotten out of the cities where this debauchery has been accepted, will make it.

I think what you see in this vision will apply this summer/fall and into the election this November.  Are you ready?:


 
Judgment is coming.  I can feel it.

19 comments:

  1. So....if this is an accurate prophesy, then there really is no place to flee too withing the U.S. Seems off to me. And I doubt that just crossing the border would help much....but I did want to, maybe a wall between us and Mexico doesn't sound so good! Anyway, I didn't see this as terribly informative. If it's a motivation for the dream recipient to prepare their soul to meet God, then that's fine.

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  2. I also am feeling it, very strongly! I am very happy to be a member here. I thank you IRAQ for all you are doing.

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  3. So so true.
    So I guess the question is -
    WHO are " my people" ???
    I will guarantee you it's not just members.

    It's important to know WHO the Gentiles are in the Book of Mormon

    Gentiles
    Even though most of us members are from Ephraim - the
    House of Israel, for now we are referred to as "Gentiles".
    When the Book of Mormon prophets address us,
    they are addressing the Gentiles.
    Who else is "established in this land, and be set up as a free people"
    and who else did the Lord "establish my church " with ?
    None other people but our church today.
    3 Nephi Chapter 21
    4 For it is wisdom in the Father that they should be established in this land,
    and be set up as a free people by the power of the Father,
    that these things might come forth from them unto a remnant of your seed,
    that the covenant of the Father may be fulfilled which he hath covenanted
    with his people, O house of Israel;
    22 But if they will repent and hearken unto my words,
    and harden not their hearts,
    I will establish my church among them, (the restored gospel our church today)
    and they shall come in unto the covenant and be numbered among
    this the remnant of Jacob, unto whom I have given this land
    for their inheritance;
    2 Nephi 10
    The United States of America
    11 And this land shall be a land of liberty unto the Gentiles, and there shall be no kings upon the land, who shall raise up unto the Gentiles.

    3 Nephi 21
    6 For thus it behooveth the Father that it should come forth from the Gentiles, that he may show forth his power unto the Gentiles, for this cause that the Gentiles, if they will not harden their hearts, that they may repent and come unto me and be baptized in my name and know of the true points of my doctrine, that they may be numbered among my people, O house of Israel;

    1 Nephi 15
    13 And now, the thing which our father meaneth concerning the grafting in of the natural branches through the fulness of the Gentiles, is, that in the latter days, when our seed shall have dwindled in unbelief, yea, for the space of many years, and many generations after the Messiah shall be manifested in body unto the children of men, then shall the fulness of the gospel of the Messiah come unto the Gentiles, and from the Gentiles unto the remnant of our seed—

    So when the Book of Mormon says "Gentiles" They are
    referring to all of us, (especially the church and it's members)
    who live in this "choice land".

    The Prophet Joseph Smith made it clear, in the
    Kirtland Temple Dedicatory Prayer, that (at the very least)
    the early members of the Church, who were almost exclusively
    from Western European descent, are the 'Gentiles' –
    spoken of in the Book of Mormon:

    (D&C 109:60)

    60 Now these words, O Lord, we have spoken before thee,
    concerning the revelations and commandments which thou
    hast given unto us, who are identified with the Gentiles
    - Joseph Smith
    continued

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  4. Interesting the "end time" reversal from
    the "Gentiles" (us), then back to The House of Israel.
    Most members, because WE have the restored gospel
    and also because of pride - boosting just how great we are;
    put us first and think that WE (the church) will build up
    the New Jerusalem, and The House of Israel "will assist in this work";
    when in actuality it's the other way around. (* see below)
    They will be in power, not us. We will "assist" them.

    Brigham Young said "I am looking forward to that time when they, the Indians, will come forth to save Israel... I am very much afraid that we
    will be their Servants instead of their masters, ...
    When they DO come forth to save Israel , look to see them like a flame of fire, A Mighty Rushing Torrent, like the Grand March of Angles."
    Young Woman's Journal, 1:263, 3 Nephi Chaps. 20 to 22; Mormon "proclamation"

    "Our hope lies with the Indians" and "The Indians will yet save us," and "When they come, I fear that we will only follow them."
    Brigham Young

    * I found this on the internet - this shows the mentality of
    the modern day Mormon; always putting us first.

    copied from the internet - This is WRONG
    " The Saints will build up the New Jerusalem and the converted Lamanites will assist in this work."

    Actually this is opposite from the way it will really be.
    When you read the word "they", in the scriptures below
    the Lord is referring to us, the Gentiles, the few righteous,
    that will be left (after the cleansing) to gather with
    The House of Israel to build The New Jerusalem.

    3 Nephi 21:

    22 But if they will repent and hearken unto my words, and harden not their hearts, I will establish my church among them, (our church today)
    and they shall come in unto the covenant and be numbered among this the remnant of Jacob, unto whom I have given this land for their inheritance;

    23 And they shall "assist" my people, the remnant of Jacob, and also as many of the house of Israel as shall come, that they may build a city, which shall be called the New Jerusalem.

    24 And then shall they "assist" my people that they may be gathered in, who are scattered upon all the face of the land, in unto the New Jerusalem.

    continued

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  5. Have we forgotten the covenant the Lord made with
    The House of Israel ? YES ! but The Lord hasn't.
    The Lord WILL remember it ! 3 Nephi 16:11,12
    11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.
    12 And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles SHALL NOT have POWER over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.
    10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father,
    I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.
    (to continue see above verses 11,12 )

    Also interesting when the Lord says "my people" he means
    "the remnant of Jacob, and also as many of the house of Israel"
    and not us, the Gentiles (The church and it's members.)
    Why isn't it the other way around - If we are favored and are
    the Lord's chosen.?
    3 Nephi 21:23 and other scriptures above

    Are only hope as Gentiles is to be "numbered with them" -
    The House of Israel - and "assist" them - the House of Israel and
    the remnant of Jacob in "building a city, which shall be called
    the New Jerusalem"

    Isaiah 49:3 1 Nephi 21:3
    3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant,
    O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

    2 Nephi 6:18 Isaiah 49:26
    18 "And I will feed them that oppress thee, with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood as with sweet wine; and all flesh shall know that I the Lord am thy Savior and thy Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob."
    3 Nephi 21:
    12 And my people who are a remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles,
    yea, in the midst of them as a lion among the beasts of the forest,
    as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who,
    if he go through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.

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  6. Although the Ogden temple has been completed and there were no incidents at HAFB, I still think there is a possibility of your Ogden temple scaffolding/HAFB incident vision may occur. Perhaps your interpretation of your vision was incorrect.

    About four months, I had a similar vision. While I was driving on I-15 southbound, around HAFB by the Air Museum, I saw a massive fire where there was enough smoke that shut down the freeway. It didn't seem to be nuclear.

    Perhaps the scaffolding was on the Ogden temple for minor repairs for some reason (such as window clearning, minor construction error repairs or earthquake damage.) The fire was close to where the bunkers are at HAFB. Perhaps, the mushroom clouds were not nuclear, but detonation in the bunkers.

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  7. I felt a bit disappointed with the thought that we can only assist and that we are gentiles and not of the house of Israel until I read the following. "For whoso is faithful unto the obtaining these two priesthoods of which I have spoken, and the magnifying their calling, are sanctified by the Spirit unto the renewing of their bodies. They become the sons of Moses and of Aaron and the seed of Abraham, and the church and kingdom, and the elect of God. D&C 84:33,34. If I qualify I can be more than a Gentile.

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  8. Let us not forget that we (members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) are of the House of Israel. Even though we are called Gentiles by Prophets in the Book of Mormon a majority of the member of the church are literally of the tribe of Ephraim and are entitled to all the blessings promised to the House of Israel. We also have the added responsibility to take the gospel to the rest of the tribes of Israel.

    It is true that we must be true and faithful to the restored gospel of Jesus Christ that we have received. If we are not faithful we will lose our blessings.

    Also remember that the keys of the restoration were committed to Joseph Smith including the keys of the gathering of Israel and the sealing powers used in the Temples today. Zion will not be able to be established, and in particular, the Temple in Zion will not be able to be built or operated without these keys which now reside with Pres. Thomas S. Monson.

    Now that being said, I personally do not care who actually builds Zion, The New Jerusalem. As long as I can be there (or in any of the cities of Zion) and have a small part in establishing the Lord's Zion upon the earth again, I will be happy. Ultimately it is up to us (individually) to fully accept the restored gospel and follow Jesus Christ to receive the blessing that have been promised to us.

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  9. Iraq, I appreciate what you're doing and love the blog, but you cannot credibly say each year that it's going to hit the fan "this Fall." Nobody can predict this. Maybe Spencer from Visions of Glory is the only mortal guy who could credibly identify the year. And even that's a big "if."

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  10. As I have already stated that many members are literally
    of the tribe of Ephraim (H of I)
    but for now we are Gentiles and referred to as such;
    D&C 109:60)
    60 Now these words, O Lord, we have spoken before thee,
    concerning the revelations and commandments which thou
    hast given unto us, who are identified with the Gentiles
    - Joseph Smith
    and fall under the same judgements that are coming upon
    the Gentile nation. ( U. S.)
    I believe "we", the church and it's members in general have already lost and forfeited our blessings
    just as they did, (The House of Israel) when the gospel then came to us.
    now it's going back to them. hence the first will be last and the last first.
    "I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them. "
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    What will happen to all of us living in America ?
    From these scriptures we can see that:
    D&C 45:
    28 "fulness of my gospel". is the restored Gospel now.
    29 "BUT THEY RECEIVE IT NOT". The people in
    this country did not, have not, and will not receive
    the restored Gospel.
    30 "the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled". Our time has ended.
    We had our chance.
    3 Nephi 16:
    10,11,12 "I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them".
    The Gospel will now go back to the house of Israel.
    "The first will be last and the last first".
    13 "they shall be numbered among my people".
    Our only hope is for us, Gentiles, the church now,
    to be numbered among the House of Israel.
    14,15 "to be trodden under foot of my people, O house of Israel".
    Because the people of this country have not repented,
    we will be trodden under foot by the House of Israel.
    16 "that I should give unto this people this land for their inheritance".
    This land is not ours.
    It has been given to the House of Israel.

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  11. in full
    3 Nephi 16: 10-16
    10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

    11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.

    12 And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles shall not have power over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.

    13 But if the Gentiles will repent and return unto me, saith the Father, behold they shall be numbered among my people, O house of Israel.

    14 And I will not suffer my people, who are of the house of Israel, to go through among them, and tread them down, saith the Father.

    15 But if they will not turn unto me, and hearken unto my voice, I will suffer them, yea, I will suffer my people, O house of Israel, that they shall go through among them, and shall tread them down, and they shall be as salt that hath lost its savor, which is thenceforth good for nothing but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of my people, O house of Israel.

    16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, thus hath the Father commanded me—that I should give unto this people this land for their inheritance.

    D&C 45:28-31
    28 And when the times of the Gentiles is come in, a light shall break forth among them that sit in darkness, and it shall be the fulness of my gospel;

    29 BUT THEY RECEIVE IT NOT ;
    for they perceive not the light, and they turn their hearts from me because of the precepts of men.

    30 And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

    31 And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land

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  12. It won't be the prophet who gathers Israel.
    It will most likely be the prophet who is coming.
    the man like Moses-the marred servant the Davidic king -

    A prophet is coming - the marred servant

    Can Prophets Come from Outside Church Leadership?
    http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/can-prophets-come-from-outside-the-church
    (some quotes from this article below)

    "When discussing prophets, we Latter-day Saints are quick to cite Amos 3:7, wherein we read, “Surely the Lord God will do nothing,
    but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.”
    But who was Amos, and what kind of prophet was he? He himself explains, to the king of Judah at the time: “I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet’s son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycamore fruit. And the Lord took me as I followed the flock, and the Lord said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel.” His message was likewise an excoriating, divine rebuke against church culture, criticizing tradition and ritual and calling for judgment and righteousness instead."

    *** Remember - "Jesus Christ who himself was sent of God, outside of church hierarchy, from humble and unlikely circumstances, to call people to repentance. The existing establishment of religious authority, most notably the Pharisees, claimed to be the conduit to God. Thus, when the Conduit himself appeared before them, rebuking them with simplicity and boldness, they, following the pattern, desired to exile him."

    "But how would we fare if a prophet came to us today outside of the hierarchy of the Church? Would we learn from the mistakes of the past so as not to repeat them? Or would we side with the structure to which we have accustomed ourselves, thus removing the need for tackling hard questions such as determining if a person claiming a divine mandate, and chastising us for our wickedness, is in fact a prophet?"

    "It’s instructive to note that these prophets are sent to God’s people because of general wickedness, and not necessarily corruption within church leadership. While in many cases the religious establishment had become rotten, this was not the experience of Samuel the Lamanite, whose mission came despite Nephi, and presumably others, righteously trying to do the very thing that Samuel was sent to do."

    "It’s irrelevant, then, whether leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are doing exactly what God wants them to or not. God can send—and perhaps has sent?—prophets outside of this organization. He would do so because of a general deviation from the path he wants us to follow. It has happened previously, so why not today? Are we so confident of our supposed righteousness, despite God himself noting that we are condemned, and our minds darkened?"
    end of article

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  13. http://lds.net/forums/topic/48904-avraham-gileadi-davidic-servant/

    The Gentiles, will harm and mar this Servant. On account of this, even as the Davidic Servant will be "marred", he will be completely healed by the LORD. This healing might involve him being "translated" and also his receiving of his "Calling and Election made sure". This healing will be truly miraculous for all to see.

    The Davidic King will prepare the way for Christ's return. The Davidic King will have a three-year ministry that reaches to the world and warns the entire world of what is to come. Similarly, the 144,000 and also the ANGELS will gather the righteous from throughout the world. But the tribulations of that day will probably have begun before the Davidic King's official ministry to the World has started. We Gentiles, and also the entire World, will have two choices when the Davidic King arrives: we will either (1) harden our hearts to our own condemnation and destruction; or else (2) we will repent and prepare to join Zion. There will be a complete division between the righteous and the wicked in that day.

    The Great and Marvelous Work will probably not begin until the Davidic King's three-year official ministry starts. We have not seen the "Great and Marvelous Work", yet; [I assume it means there will be another marvelous work greater than the one during Joseph Smiths time?]. This event is still future and it will be incredible. Among other things, the Davidic King will completely restore House of Israel.

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  14. Yes prophets can and do and will come from outside the church.
    There is to be great judgements and a cleansing of the saints before
    we will be (allowed) to "assist" the remnants of Jacob, and House of Israel
    who's land this has been given to; to build the New Jerusalem
    and be numbered with them.
    A Man like Moses, the Marred servant, One mighty and Strong,
    the Branch, and I'm sure others.
    A GREAT prophet is coming very soon.
    I believe he will come not from within our church
    and will have more power and authority than our church leaders.
    He will have Christ's words. He will bring forth a record,
    (the sealed portion of the (B of M) yet many (church and church members)
    will not believe him or receive his words., and they will be cut off from the Lord.

    3 Nephi 21: 8 And when that day shall come, it shall come to pass that kings shall shut their mouths; for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.

    9 For in that day, for my sake shall the Father work a work, which shall be a great and a marvelous work among them; and there shall be among them those who will not believe it, although a man shall declare it unto them.

    10 But behold, the life of my servant shall be in my hand; therefore they shall not hurt him, although he shall be marred because of them. Yet I will heal him, for I will show unto them that my wisdom is greater than the cunning of the devil.

    11 Therefore it shall come to pass that whosoever will not believe in my words, who am Jesus Christ, which the Father shall cause him to bring forth unto the Gentiles, and shall give unto him power that he shall bring them forth unto the Gentiles, (it shall be done even as Moses said) they shall be cut off from among my people who are of the covenant.

    This is not Joseph Smith, because this "servant", "shall be in my hand; therefore they shall not hurt him", Joseph Smith was killed.

    This marred servant, marred because most members
    will not believe his words is John.
    The "marred servant" is John the Revelator

    He will be a descendent of Jesse, or of the
    royal Davidic lineage.
    he will be a righteous ruler because he will
    judge the people, hence he is a Davidic king.

    It is this mission, ( he saw himself in Revelations)
    what his own mission would be; to gather Israel
    in the last days, and be an Elias - a forerunner
    to the coming of Christ. Just as John the Baptist
    was an Elias - a forerunner to Christ.
    For this important mission he (John the Rev.)
    has tarried in the flesh for 19 centuries.

    He is the "Root of Jessie" in Isaiah 11,
    also the Davidic King and may also be the
    Man like Moses, and whom rightly belongs,
    who holds the keys of the
    priesthood and the kingdom.
    D&C113:4-6 6 "Behold, thus saith the Lord,
    it is a descendant of Jesse, as well as of Joseph,
    unto whom rightly belongs the priesthood,
    and the keys of the kingdom, for an ensign,
    and for the gathering of my people in the last days"

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  15. D&C113
    1 Who is the Stem of Jesse spoken of in the
    1st, 2d, 3d, 4th, and 5th verses of the
    11th chapter of Isaiah?

    2 Verily thus saith the Lord: It is Christ.

    3 What is the rod spoken of in the first verse of the
    11th chapter of Isaiah, that should come of the Stem of Jesse?

    4 Behold, thus saith the Lord: It is a servant in the hands of Christ,
    who is partly a descendant of Jesse as well as of Ephraim,
    or of the house of Joseph, on whom there is laid much power.

    5 What is the root of Jesse spoken of in the 10th verse of the 11th chapter?

    6 Behold, thus saith the Lord, it is a descendant of Jesse,
    as well as of Joseph, unto whom rightly belongs the priesthood,
    and the keys of the kingdom, for an ensign,
    and for the gathering of my people in the last days.
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    3 Nephi 21:10
    10 "But behold, the life of my servant
    shall be in my hand; therefore they shall not hurt him,
    although he shall be marred because of them.
    Yet I will heal him, for I will show unto them
    that my wisdom is greater than the cunning of the devil."

    Isaiah 52:15 "sprinkle many nations"
    Joseph Smith translated this to be -
    "Gather many nation" see JS trans.
    Isaiah 52:
    14 "As many were astonished at thee;
    his visage was so marred more than any man,
    and his form more than the sons of men:
    15 So shall he SPRINKLE (JST gather) many nations;
    the kings shall shut their mouths at him:
    for that which had not been told them shall they see;
    and that which they had not heard shall they consider."
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    Ether 4:
    13 Come unto me, O ye Gentiles, and I will show unto you the greater things, the knowledge which is hid up because of unbelief.

    14 Come unto me, O ye house of Israel, and it shall be made manifest unto you how great things the Father hath laid up for you, from the foundation of the world; and it hath not come unto you, because of unbelief.

    15 Behold, when ye shall rend that veil of unbelief which doth cause you to remain in your awful state of wickedness, and hardness of heart, and blindness of mind, then shall the great and marvelous things which have been hid up from the foundation of the world from you—yea, when ye shall call upon the Father in my name, with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, then shall ye know that the Father hath remembered the covenant which he made unto your fathers, O house of Israel.

    16 And then shall my revelations which I have caused to be written by my servant John be unfolded in the eyes of all the people. Remember, when ye see these things, ye shall know that the time is at hand that they shall be made manifest in very deed.

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  16. Gileadi
    page 4
    The Gathering of Israel’s Outcasts from Exile

    A hard fact of Isaiah’s end-time scenario is that it is not those who appear to be God’s people whom God saves in the end but those who are rejected by the majority. These “outcasts” suffer “reproach” and “ridicule,” are “excluded” from God’s people, and, like God’s servant who gathers them, are “despised” and “abhorred” until God reverses their circumstances (Isaiah 49:7–8; 51:7; 60:15–16; 61:7, 9; 66:5–8). In the end, those who are excluded and betrayed by their own people, are gathered with God’s righteous remnant: “Thus says my Lord Jehovah, who gathers up the outcasts of Israel: ‘I will gather others to those already gathered’” (Isaiah 56:3, 8).

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  17. I disagree with your assumption that "the church and it's members in general have already lost and forfeited our blessing." The spirit whispers to me that the parable of the ten virgins is a much more accurate portrayal of our current situation. Granted that means that half of us our not as faithful to the gospel of Jesus Christ as we should be.

    Ultimately it does not matter if we are literally descended from the Tribes of Israel. Those who are faithful to the gospel of Jesus Christ once they have received it will be counted among the House of Israel and will be entitled to all the promised blessing. Anyone who does not receive the gospel of Jesus Christ and/or remain faithful to that restored gospel will not receive the blessings otherwise entitled to the faithful House of Israel. There will be many of the Lamanites as well as the Jews who will not receive the gospel of Christ who will forfeit their promised blessing just as there will be many members of the church who will not be faithful to the gospel and will also forfeit their blessings. So it is really up to all of us to decide if we will be found among the House of Israel.

    I pray for the day when we will be joined by our Lamanite brothers and sisters who have accepted the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. I pray for the day when we will be joined by the Jews and the other Tribes of Israel who have accepted the gospel of Jesus Christ. I pray that I personally will be found among the 5 wise virgins, those of the church who will be true and faithful to the restored gospel. And together we will build Zion. What a glorious day that will be.

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  18. Question - If the holy church spoken of in Mormon 8:38
    is not our church, then what church is it ?
    Mormon 8:35
    "Behold, I speak unto you as if ye were present, and yet ye are not.
    But behold, Jesus Christ hath shown you unto me, and I know your doing."

    Mormon 8:38
    38 O ye pollutions, ye hypocrites, ye teachers, who sell yourselves for that which will canker, why have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why are ye ashamed to take upon you the name of Christ? Why do ye not think that greater is the value of an endless happiness than that misery which never dies—because of the praise of the world?

    Please read ALL of Mormon Chapter 8
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    Mormon 8:35
    "Behold, I speak unto you as if ye were present, and yet ye are not.
    But behold, Jesus Christ hath shown you unto me, and I know your doing."

    Mormon is speaking to us today.

    I think we need to look at verses 23 and 26
    23 "even from the dust will they cry"
    26 "for out of the earth shall they come"
    "and it shall come even as if one should speak from the dead."
    These verses sound like to me they are referring to
    none other than the book these are in,
    and the person who is speaking to us
    who's it (the book) is named after,
    the coming forth of the "The Book of Mormon".
    And even if they are not; ALL the scriptures after that,
    verses 27 to the end are talking about the last days. our days NOW.
    I believe these verses are talking about everyone in this "choice land"
    of America and especially for the church and it's members.
    Interesting why the word "teachers" is used in the same verse
    just before he says "who sell yourselves for that which will canker,
    why have ye polluted the holy church of God? "
    What other holy church of God is in the world today ?
    I believe the only holy church of God this could be is none other than
    our church today.
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    Someone made this comment some time ago.

    Mormons today dwindle in unbelief. There is a pervasive belief among us that we are God's chosen people and therefore unavoidably in the right way. So when we read the BOM giving desperate warnings about the churches in the last days, we automatically assume those warnings apply to all churches but our own.
    We tend to apply the most important lessons of the book to everyone else but ourselves. Its a great example of standing on the rameumptom. Read Alma Chapter 31. Its a story of who?... That's right... The Mormons.

    You would think that it would be odd to the Mormons that so much effort was wasted warning those who will never read the book.

    It is very sobering to wake up and find the sad condition we are in.

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  19. 2 Nephi 28:21,24,25
    21 And others will he pacify,
    and lull them away into carnal security,
    that they will say: All is well in Zion;
    yea, Zion prospereth, all is well—
    and thus the devil cheateth their souls,
    and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.
    24 Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!
    25 Wo be unto him that crieth: All is well!

    Isaiah 29:9,10,13,
    9 Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink.

    10 For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

    13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
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    Isaiah 9:2 the people "walking in darkness"
    (without revelation) refers to the church today.
    "Land of the shadow of death" is the U.S.
    after the invasion by the beast.

    9:2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light:
    they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death,
    upon them hath the light shined.
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    Did you realize that in the 29th chapter of Isaiah he describes the coming forth
    of the original plates of the Book of Mormon and the attitude
    of the people against it.
    Now if the 29th Chapter of Isaiah refers to our people and nation,
    then it is very feasible that the 28th chapter may also refer to us.
    If you want a big wake up call please read it !
    If you study this 28th chapter of Isaiah
    it will reveal that every word applies to our church in these days
    and to no other people.
    Isaiah cites that this people would be given "precept upon precept;
    precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little and there a little."
    These identical words, were used by the Prophet Joseph Smith among his closing instructions to the latter day saints, warning us to go forward not backward. D.C.128:21-22 ; 2Nephi 28:30

    Isaiah 28:13 "But the word of the Lord was unto them
    precept upon precept, precept upon precept;
    line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;
    that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken,
    and snared, and taken."

    We are still satisfied with the ABC portions of the gospel.
    We will not accept the meat portions of the gospel.

    Isaiah 28:
    9 Whom shall he give instruction?
    Whom shall he enlighten with revelation?
    Weanlings weaned from milk,those just taken from the breast?
    10 For it is but line upon line, line upon line,precept upon precept,
    precept upon precept;a trifle here, a trifle there.

    Isaiah28:1 "Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower,
    which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!"

    Salt Lake City is a "fat valley" if I've ever seen one.

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    There are scripture after scripture warning us not to make the same mistakes as they did, when they forfeited their blessings and
    their book (BofM) and the restored gospel then came to us, the Gentiles
    which we are now losing it as they did and it's returning back to them.
    I could show scripture after scripture and write page after page of our apostasy, but that's another topic.

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