THIS BLOG ATTEMPTS TO SHOW HOW SCIENCE IS CATCHING UP WITH REVEALED RELIGION

THIS BLOG IS AN ATTEMPT TO PUT ALL THE COOL STUFF THAT I BUMP INTO ABOUT THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST AND EVENTS THAT LEAD UP TO IT INTO ONE LOCATION.
THE CONTENTS WILL BE FROM AN LDS PERSPECTIVE. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING IN HERE, I DO NOT PARTICULARLY CARE TO ARGUE, UNLESS YOU CAN ADD TO THIS BODY OF WORK. I HAVE AN OPEN MIND, THAT IS WHY I READ STUFF FROM ALL DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND SEEK LEARNING FROM THE BEST BOOKS. I JUST AM NOT HERE TO ARGUE ABOUT IT - BUT TO PUT IT OUT THERE WHERE OTHERS CAN PERUSE/PURSUE IT. I TAKE PARTICULAR INTEREST IN HONEST SEEKERS OF TRUTH AND BELIEVE THAT SCIENCE IS REVEALED RELIGION'S BEST ALLY. YOU WILL SEE ALOT OF TOPICS IN THIS BLOG THAT SHOW SCIENCE BACKING - AND SLOWLY CATCHING UP WITH - REVEALED RELIGION.
ENJOY!!

Tuesday, December 1, 2009

CITY OF ENOCH AND THE NEW JERUSALEM - PHYSICS DEFYING PHENOMENON

WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT SOON THE "SAINTS WILL BE CAUGHT UP TO MEET THE SAVIOR" WHEN HE COMES ALONG WITH THE CITY OF THE NEW JERUSALEM COMING DOWN OUT OF HEAVEN, WE ARE IN FOR SOME PHYSICS BENDING MOMENTS IN THE NEXT FEW DECADES.

AN INTERESTING JOSEPH SMITH QUOTE OF THE CITY OF ENOCH FROM THE BLOG OF ONE OF MY FAVORITE AUTHORS, LARSEN:

The Babel planet

Among his collected discourses is a remarkable allusion to Joseph Smith’s belief that Zion once hovered above the Earth. Of course, things that linger in Earth’s heavens are commonly called planets and moons.
Elder Whitney wrote:

It has been taught that it was the object of the people who built the Tower of Babel to reach heaven, to attain to one of the starry planets, one of the heavenly bodies. This sounds, indeed, like a fairy tale ... that they could actually reach the sun, moon, or one of the stars, simply by piling brick upon brick and stone upon stone. But the Prophet Joseph Smith, whose mission it was to shed light upon the darkness of this generation, is said to have declared that it was not their intention to reach heaven, but to reach Zion, which was then suspended in mid-air, between heaven and earth, or at such a height as to render the project feasible. This certainly is more reasonable.” Collected Discourses, Vol.1, p. 359.)

Such a statement by a general authority must be taken seriously. In fact, when considered in light of Dibble’s illustration and Talbott’s Polar Configuration thesis, it makes perfect sense. If the Dibble drawing represents Joseph’s belief regarding the positioning of planets with respect to the Earth anciently, then he would have naturally envisioned that the Tower of Babel was constructed to reach observable orbs in close proximity. As a result, the ancients would have perceived the project as feasible.

Using the gospel taught by the prophet as a yardstick, the novel view of Earth’s ancient past proposed by Talbott et al becomes logical and understandable, no matter how science may view it. The common axis of rotation depicted by Joseph Smith in the Dibble illustration means that the fundamental tenet of Talbott’s thesis is certainly correct: Saturn and its companion planets appeared to hover in a fixed position in the heavens above Earth’s northern horizon due to that unique alignment.

As Elder Whitney noted learning from the prophet, the Babylonians were not trying to reach some distant planet, moon, sun or star, which all appear to steadily, unceasingly traverse the arch of the heavens. They knew that reaching one of those moving, distant bodies was futile. On the other hand, a planet or cluster of planets that remained fixed in the heavens presented an entirely different prospect: It appeared close enough to be reachable and was fixed to one point in the sky. This is the implication of Elder Whitney’s observation when taken together with the Dibble drawing and Talbott’s thesis.

Thus, disparate pieces of evidence come together to further corroborate and substantiate the premise that Joseph Smith believed that the Earth was once part of a congregation of planets.

An interesting evening with the prophet

There is one more anecdotal account that sheds still more light on this confluence of ideas. Taken from a book by Robert W. Smith called, Scriptural and Secular Prophecies Pertaining to The Last Days, this account attributes some remarkable statements to the prophet, Joseph Smith. It purports to be an interview with Homer M. Brown, a past Patriarch of the Granite, Utah, Stake and grandson of Mr. and Mrs. Benjamin Brown, the principles in the story.

In that interview, Patriarch Brown explains that the setting for his grandparents’ story is their home in Nauvoo before the prophet was martyred and the Saints were forced to move West. According to the account, one evening Joseph Smith came to his grandparents’ door seeking refuge, saying, “Brother Brown, can you keep me overnight? The mobs are after me.” He was granted asylum and offered a meal, which he accepted.

In the gospel discussion that followed, Bro. Brown inquired of the prophet as to the whereabouts of the Lost Tribes of Israel. Joseph Smith’s response was to take them outside. “Come to the door and I will show you,” he said. “Come on, Sister Brown, I want you both to see.”

According to the account, the reason Joseph took them out into the starlit night was to find Polaris, the North Star.

“Brother Brown, can you show me the Polar Star?”

“Yes, sir,” responded Brother Brown, pointing to the North Star. “There it is.”

“Yes, I know,” said the Prophet, “but which one? There are a lot of stars there.”

“Can you see the points of the Dipper?” asked Brother Brown.

The Prophet answered, “Yes.”

“Well,” he said, pointing up to the largest star, “trace the pointers. That is the North Star.”

“You are correct,” the Prophet answered. (Scriptural and Secular Prophecies Pertaining to The Last Days, pp. 89, 90.)

One is compelled to ask why the Prophet insisted that the Browns not only locate the North Star but that they do so using the “Dipper,” the constellation Ursa Major, to find it? What made stargazing so important in the Prophet’s mind that he would risk exposure in the midst of his flight from the mob by going out-of-doors with the Browns — even if only momentarily? Obviously, he must have felt it was a vital point to make in his attempt to answer Brother Brown’s question. But, what made it so important?

Curiously, the answer to those questions is never provided. While the prophet went on to reveal many vital and crucial concepts on that occasion, according to the account as we have it, the concept of locating the North Star is never revisited. Patriarch Brown never explained why Joseph sought to make that point.

However, a clue to why may be found in a place we might never expect to look — high up on the west wall of the Salt Lake Temple.


Many visitors to Temple Square over the years have gazed up at the temple and wondered, no doubt, why the stars of the constellation Ursa Major, the Bear or the Big Dipper are etched there in stone. Certainly, those icons were not placed on that sacred edifice by chance or whimsy.

A moment of deliberation reveals that those mute temple stones echo the concept that Joseph Smith tried to teach to the Browns on that evening in Nauvoo. They involve the same celestial bodies, Polaris and Ursa Major, and are an iconic representation of that same concept he tried to impress upon the Browns.

The presence of that illustration on the Salt Lake Temple allows us to infer that the Browns’ account is accurate and that Joseph must have taught the same concepts to others. We can also infer that, without a doubt, it was Joseph Smith who passed on the relevance and meaning of these astronomical elements to Brigham Young, Truman O. Angel and Orson Pratt, those responsible for the iconography of the Salt Lake Temple. Certainly Pres. Young, the prophet who oversaw the construction of the Salt Lake Temple, felt they were important enough to include them in the iconography of that sacred edifice.

But why?

With these two correlations in evidence — the Brown account and the temple icons — we are still left with the same question. Why were these stars important to a Prophet of God? What significance do they have to the Prophet’s teaching of the restored gospel?

2 comments:

  1. Its always nice to read from someone who has also learned of such things from Brother larson's research!!! Thanks for the posting.

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  2. FYI:

    Here I am yet again. .

    And now, after more of resting my mind on the things Father is leading me to discover I am just in awe. Here is what just happened. I sat down to look at your blog again. Now I'm really DUMB when it comes to the computer...trust me. I did something and the little side bar thingy had a mind of its own and started going down fast and I couldn't stop it. Then it started going up to which I tried again. This time I could stop it and when I did, my eye caught instantly "City of Enoch as choices. I felt strongly to stop there and explore.

    I came first to the Eliza R. Snow post and the beautiful hymn she wrote. Then I'm led to this post and the teachings of Joseph Smith to sister and brother Brown about the lost ten tribes and having them look up at the night sky at wonder of all wonders.......the north star and the Big Dipper, Ursa Major.

    The the Tower of Babel comment and them wanting to get to the City of Enoch that hovered above them. OMGosh! I just about fell out of my chair!!!! I HAVE SEEN THE CITY OF ENOCH IN THE AIR ABOVE SLC!!!

    I was taking a friend to escort through the temple the next day. We were just outside of Park City in the mid-later afternoon when I looked up in the sky and said, "DO YOU SEE THAT?!!!!" She said no and asked what I saw. I said, "A HUGE CITY! IT'S ALL LIT UP WITH A WHITE LIGHT AND THERE ARE PEOPLE DRESSED ANCIENTLY, SOME IN ROBES WALKING AROUND IN AND OUT OF THE BUILDINGS!!!" She still didn't see it and was very upset and disappointed but felt strongly I was seeing what I said I was. It was glorious! I wasn't given the identity of the city until about a week later. I was just marveling at the whole experience of it and trust me, I didn't go spreading it around. I've only told a select few and now you're one.

    And what is the focus right now. That monk's vision that started it all. Then I'm led on another site out of nowhere to the Book of Revelation and start reading random chapters that are associated with beautiful pictures. And what do we find there? Nothing short of the story if read close enough with the education of the Holy Ghost, the Lord's return from the EAST (Orion) and all that goes with it.....the return of the New Jerusalem, etc. I can't even read it the same now without sheer excitement of putting all I've learned thus far with it because of your blog.

    I hope I'm not being a pest but this is BIG STUFF! My gosh, what else is lying hidden in the archives of this place? Things that once were speculation and mystery that are unfolding in plain view as time goes on. What else am I going to find? I feel like a child in a heavenly candy store! THANK YOU!!!!!

    I am a seeker of further light and knowledge. I am a seeker of TRUTH. I love the Church and the Saints but I SERVE GOD FIRST.

    I think on Him. I love Him.

    If you have not read brother Ralph Jensen's 'Taught by Christ'. Awesome!

    So now, I'm off to explore this story of the Prophet and the Browns and WHY Ursa Major and the North Star. And why the symbols on the temple. This is just to exciting! Thank you for providing the foundation of this spiritual feast.

    Because now, it makes more sense the temple, the symbols, the city above the temple and it BEING THE TRUE PATH UPWARD TO THE CHURCH OF THE FIRSTBORN, THE HOLY CITY, THE CITY OF ENOCH!!! NOT THE ARROGANT FALSE TEACHINGS OF SATAN TO GO AROUND GOD'S LAWS AND BE A LAW UNTO YOURSELF AND BUILD YOUR OWN ARM OF FLESH PATH THERE IN DEFIANCE OF GOD'S PLAN TO HAVE YOUR SOUL DRAGGED DOWN TO HELL!

    IS THIS NOT INCREDIBLE AND AWESOME AND SWEET TO THE SOUL TO THINK ON NOW THAT MORE HAS BEEN REVEALED?

    I only know this is important for me to know and be able to testify of for some purpose in the future. I have a big mouth so that's probably why the Lord has confidence in me.

    God bless you brother and for allowing yourself to be drug into all of this with me! It's all your fault anyway......lol.

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