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Sunday, July 8, 2012

A TAKE ON POLYGAMY FROM THE MILE HIGH GUY

 

 


The Lord Delights in Chastity

Jacob's sermon which touches on and condemns taking multiple wives includes this statement quoted from the Lord: "For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women." (Jacob 2: 28.) In the same breath, and in connection with the topic of multiple wives, the Lord adds: "And whoredoms are an abomination before me." (Id.)

All those who think they are living a "higher law" by taking multiple wives should be extremely careful about their actions, in light of the Lord's overall caution about this subject. David fell from his exaltation as a consequence of offending this law, because it led to betraying Uriah, lying to protect against his immoral behavior, and ultimately taking life. (D&C 132: 39.)

How often has violence been the product of polygamous groups? How many murders have happened while wicked and ambitious men struggle for control over followers who take multiple wives?

Joseph Smith, the recipient of the revelation which has led to these various claims by different pretenders also had something to say about chastity and adultery. The very same man through whom the revelation came also instructed the Relief Society with this advice:

"Spoke of the organization of the Female Relief Society; said he was deeply interested, that is might be built up to the Most High in an acceptable manner; that its rules must be observed; that none should be received into it but those who were worthy; proposed a close examination of every candidate; that the society was growing too fast. It should grow up by degrees, should commence with a few individuals, thus have a select society of the virtuous, and those who would walk circumspectly; commended them for their zeal, but said sometimes their zeal was not according to knowledge. One principle object of the institution was to purge out iniquity; said they must be extremely careful in all their examinations, or the consequences would be serious. ...[T]he Saints should be a select people, separate from all the evils of the world-- choice, virtuous and holy." (TPJS, p. 201-202, March 30, 1842.) Joseph also said: "If a man commit adultery, he cannot receive the celestial kingdom of God. Even if he is saved in any kingdom, it cannot be the celestial kingdom."

“Inasmuch as the public mind has been unjustly abused through the fallacy of Dr. Bennett’s letters, we make an extract on the subject of marriage, showing the rule of the church on this important matter. The extract is from the Book of Doctrine and Covenants, and is the only rule allowed by the Church. "Inasmuch as this church of Christ has been reproached with the crime of fornication, and polygamy; we declare that we believe, that one man should have one wife; and one woman, but one husband, except in case of death, when either is at liberty to marry again.”  Times & Seasons 3:909, Sept. 1, 1842.

Whatever you may think you know about Joseph's intentions and practice involving plural wives, his public statements cannot be reconciled with promiscuity or exploitation of women for the gratification or vanity of men.

This may seem a contradiction. As if Joseph were talking out of both sides of his mouth. It is not. The careful manner in which the Lord controlled and permited taking additional wives to "raise up seed unto Himself" was covenantal, sacral, and did not involve indiscriminate breeding of multiple women. Other than his own, Joseph only sealed one plural wife to one man. For Joseph, the multiple wives were governmental, sealed to him to construct the family of God on earth. Tying together lines of what was to be a single family, with himself as the patriarchal father of a new branch of the Family of Israel. It was not, as the quote above demonstrates, a matter of lust and physical gratification.

Joseph's practices were carefully guarded, hidden from public view, and so discrete that still today there are those who think he never had plural wives. If this were something for public display and advocacy, then Joseph would have done so. He did not. To the contrary, he also delighted in the chastity of women and condemned adultery and fornication.

In contrast to Joseph's remarks, Brigham Young made a remark at the return of Thomas Marsh to the church in 1857. This is a reflection of President Young's attitude toward women. I end this series with Brigham Young's words. They were spoken immediately after Thomas Marsh addressed the Saints, pleading to be welcomed back after his apostasy. Brigham Young introduced him, and while Brother Marsh spoke he (Marsh) mentioned that he was "an old man" now. Folllowing his remarks, Brigham Young added the following:

"He has told you that he is an old man. Do you think that I am an old man? I could prove to this congregation that I am young; for I could find more girls who would choose me for a husband that can any of the young men." (The Complete Discourses of Brigham Young, Vol. 3, p. 1329, September 6, 1857.)

Brigham Young added that the difference between his age and Brother Marsh's age was "one year and seven months to the day." (Id.)

Somewhere between Joseph's Nauvoo and Brigham Young's Salt Lake City, the idea of multiple wives transitioned from a carefully guarded, privately practiced, severely limited relationship requiring God's approval, word and the Holy Spirit of Promise, into a broadly advocated, openly practiced, publicly defended, and church authorized form of marriage which was said to be required for exaltation. In Brigham Young's form of the church a man could not be saved if he didn't fetch multiple wives: "Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise you that you will be damned." (JD, Vol. 3, p. 266.) "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy." (JD, Vol. 11, p. 269.)
It is my view that the question of taking plural wives arises with Joseph Smith, and was through a revelation to him when he inquired about the topic. He treated it as a limited, carefully curtailed, private matter. His implementation of the practice was limited to sealing his own plural wives, and one other man to two wives. 
With Brigham Young, however, taking more women became not only public, but it also became a topic used to prove his own verility. A comparison between Joseph's and Brigham Young's advocacy is stark, at least to me.

The subject could be discussed endlessly. I would discourage anyone from thinking this is something to advocate or practice. Even if you believe you are a well-read polygamist, you still don't have enough information. If you think you have enough understanding to know what the topic includes, then instead of acting like Brigham Young and "finding more girls who would choose you for a husband" focus instead on qualifying to preserve one marriage.

Any man whose wife is unhappy, who is exploited and treated like his property, whose behavior fails to mirror Christ's in the heart of the women who knows him best, has not yet qualified for his marriage to be sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise. That work should not be left undone, and certainly must precede any complication of life by introducing more women into a relationship. Stop this foolishness. Save yourself by approaching this with the caution required to avoid vanity, self-destruction, practicing an abomination, and reducing a relationship to whoredoms. You should never trifle with the souls of others. 


I cannot vouch for the above information - but Denver Snuffer's arguments are persuasive and thorough.  If you have not been to Denver's blog, I HIGHLY recommend it.  I cannot even come close to his eloquence when dealing with most any subject.

4 comments:

  1. I thoroughly enjoyed this entry. I've been following your blog for a while (over a year). I read up from the Journal of Discourses about the quotes from Brigham Young and sure enough they are true. I have to admit that it's a bit disturbing though to think (and I assume you are implying this) that Joseph Smith was the TRUE prophet on the doctrine of Polygamy and what it really meant...And Brigham Young was over-zealous and a bit mislead? What's your thought on this since I assume you feel that ALL our prophets in this dispensation are TRUE mouthpeices from the Lord? ALSO, I wanted to share my experience with the topic of polygamy, since every girl who is a member of the church will have that time in her life where she will hit the depths of dispare and want to understand more. Here is what happened to me: A couple years ago I hit that moment in my life where the topic of polygamy rubbed me in such a way that I really started questioning my identity and importance as a woman. I went through a hard time and after several blessings from my husband, lots of tearful, angry prayers, and lots of study about Emma's life and reading in the D and C etc..., I was able to receive peace on it- And be okay with not understanding everything. I really felt from the Lord that His intentions were for me to be happier than I could ever imagine and that all of His ways would be understood in time and it might not come in this life. I may not understand it all, but I know Joseph Smith was a prophet, therefore I accept what he was commanded to do even though my earthly brain can't comprehend it. I may not know everything, but I "know enough". Nothing will shake me from what the Lord revealed to me spiritually and brought peace to my heart and mind. One particularly HARD night, I specifically remember asking point blank and begging the Lord to know whether or not "polygamy" would be a requirement for me. And before I could even finish my question, the thought came to me that "I would never be forced to do anything. It would be my own choice" and also the "Because He loved me and because of my righteousness, that I would never be kept from receiving ALL of the blessings of eternity". That will always stay with me. I consider these peaceful promptings and answers to be one of the GREATEST blessings of my life. Because until then, the topic and dilema of polygamy brought me into such a dark whole.

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    1. I agree with your post and, for me at least, it highlights the problem I have with Denver Snuffer: While appearing to be fully supportive of Church leadership, his opinions often tend to introduce a very subtle criticism of some aspect of the Church or its leadership. It's rarely overt, but I often come away from reading his stuff with a slight sick feeling and rarely is my faith increased.

      I know some of his books are well thought of (I own one of them), but I just don't trust the guy entirely.

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    2. Anon - from what I have seen and experienced by way of my own wife and many other choice women, your experience is spot on. You have passed the first hurdle in the Abrahamic test of sorts. More will be forthcoming for the sincere in heart.

      Kevin, I for once, do not know what to say. I also own one of Denver's books and my wife follows him closely. I happen to like the guy - but know where you are coming from. He is a lawyer - and while I have tried to tune my apostasy meter as finely as I can, I would have to say, if he is leading people astray, he is more subtle than all the beasts of the field. I have to believe the dream that Joseph had right before he died about his farm in Kirkland. I also think the Church will be in complete disarray when the Lord comes again - the people of the Church are entering a state of apostasy (not necessarily the leaders or the doctrines - but the people). As they do so, there will be an attempt to pander by some leaders who fear the loss of control or popularity. That will lead to changes in doctrine - I am VERY concerned about the whole marriage thing. The last real pulpit pounding conservative we had in the big chair was Pres Benson. Since then, we as a Church have sought the approval of the world. It kind of freaks me out. But I have no way to steady the ark - so I just hold on and wait for better things.

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  2. After all this talk, I still don't know the context that Brigham Young had made these statements. Could these statements have anything to do with Brigham wanting to motivate the men into action to marry a disproportionate larger number of women without husbands? They were no longer Babylon, they felt they could talk freely. Joseph in Nauvo Knew he had to keep Polygamy as quite as possible because he was ever so near to being killed as it was, why add fuel to the fire.
    Evidence has told us that Brigham only took one wife in his old age, Amelia, and no harem's of young girls have been found. I have no doubt that many men would have problems with their own wives should they bring home a new wife without support. The men of the time were not unlike some of us now, they needed to live as peacefully as possible with their wives. Think of the conflict the men had with the mixed emotions of managing relationships, for which some men are not that great at with women - it would scare me.
    At church I see many good women who will not likely find an acceptable husband in this life with the current monogamy's culture. How would it be if we had polygamy today? Did anyone think that there are many women who's choices are to marry outside of the church, and loose many of their posterity in the process due to a split home, or resort to marrying idiots within the church, or going without who otherwise would have the option to marry, through polygamy, someone they want to marry and to be happy, rather than settling for less. It may not be ideal to some but it is a far cry better than living it without posterity. Friends are fine, but their is no substitution for your own family.
    We see many men who take it easy when looking for wives, some are not interested, or otherwise of another persuasion, many if not most think they get a better pick with more women that men and take it for granted, and are spoiled. What would happen if the tables were turned and the women in polygamy now had a greater field of prospects?
    Do you women feel anything at all for those women who have no good options? We live in a culture where only one view is prevalent, and selfishness is it's god.
    No I don't practice polygamy, but it's ramifications must be huge when combining family's, that we have little or no knowledge of from our pioneer ancestors who practiced it. My great grandfather on my mothers side had three wives, had a bakery shop on Main St SLC that all worked in, he was also a Stake Patriarch and spent time in prison for polygamy. I only know of the good comments my mother had about the different aunts, her grandfathers wives, and the good feelings had between all family members.

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