A good friend of mine sent an article that attempts to lessen the blow of recent actions by Church leadership:
I will have to invest the time to write a seminal piece to counter this. It was thoughtful, but did not come from a position of faith. It was very defeatist and capitulates and relegates members of God’s kingdom to a weak role. Just where the devil wants them/us.
I have a greater vision that I want to share.
here is an excellent video on the vaccine https://rumble.com/vkwaof-the-vaccine-gameplan-with-juan-o-savin-dr.-tenpenny-joey-gilbert-coach-dave.html
ReplyDeleteUtah lake had 7 fisheries harvesting the warm water trout. Brigham wanted more fish, so he introduced carp. The warm water trout went extinct.
ReplyDeleteSometimes the best course of action is to do or say nothing. After Joseph Smith's death, LDS presidents are more often than not uninspired. Nothing wrong with that.
The problem is assigning inspiration to policies. Chances are the vaccine policy is uninspired. Time will tell.
From what I hear, if you call the church public relations department, they will tell you that this was not "revelation" but comes from the administrative side of the church. And this is not to be taken as doctrine or spiritual guidance. Also to refer to the church handbook on medical decisions.
ReplyDeleteBut...you can do your own homework.
It is frankly alarming how easily membership of the church---who should be the most ardent defenders of liberty and should have the scriptural background to "see" what is happening (the complete overthrow of America by a Satan inspired Marxist political beast foretold in Revelation 13) and allow "smooth words" to lull them into passive slumber.
ReplyDeleteNever before has the plan of Lucifer advanced so quickly and in such an obvious manner. What is happening in America and the world is blatantly clear for any serious student of history and scripture. The Gadianton's have moved with such a rapid fever in their agenda that it has served to unmask them to anyone who is willing to honestly look at the situation.
The Church's response, and outright support and encouragement to uphold the Gadianton's is CLEAR. The Church leadership has acted so out of character of what we. should expect form God's anointed that they have literally unmasked themselves.
They stand there as the Emperor without Clothing ---every serious student of scripture and history and prophesy can SEE that they are "naked." It's undeniable. But we are so deceived by our false tradition that "we can't be led astray" (a saying given us by Wilford Woodruff who was in the act of deceiving when he said it) that we actually begin to questions ourselves and what we can see. We stand there and KNOW they have no clothes on because it's blatantly evident---but then we convince ourselves that they actually do have on clothes because as soon as they counter what we know to be true concerning the agenda of the Gadianton's and this entire plandemic---we counter our own intelligence and submit to the nonsense because we buy into a false narrative that they cannot say something or ask us to do something wrong.
We are in a heap of trouble as a people---and it's because of our idolatry toward our leaders. PUT NO ONE above Christ! Put NO ONE above his revealed standard works. If people would read their scriptures they'd see that the second beast in revelation 13 is religious in nature and that this religious beast convinces its people to worship the beast of Marxism that is currently sweeping across the world.
Lastly, I would like to add something concerning our founding prophet Joseph Smith and what he taught about how to approach our health.
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"I preached to a large congregation at the stand, on the SCIENCE practice of medicine, desiring to persuade the Saints to TRUST GOD when sick, and NOT IN THE ARM OF FLESH, and live by faith and NOT MEDICINE, OR POISON; and when they were sick, and had called for the Elders to pray for them, and they were not healed, TO USE HERBS and mild food." (Joseph Smith; Documentary History of the Church)
If we would read our scriptures we would see that this is taught in them already. The current brethren are asking us to set aside our intelligence, set aside what is blatantly clear to any who research the topic and accept an injection that is full of potential poison, and defies proper science by not having the necessary time for experimentation, and is even pushed upon those with natural immunity. If it smells like a skunk, it's a skunk! We are putting our trust in science (and in this case FALSE SCIENCE) and practicing idolatry by skirting around our own inspiration to think we have to "follow the brethren" on this or we are somehow unfaithful to God---when the reality is we are going against our own foundational teachings (both scriptures and from Joseph's mouth) when we rely upon the arm of flesh over God's word.
This is frightening to watch my fellow church members be so asleep and lacking so much confidence in their own ability to be guided by the Lord. Remember, the 5 foolish virgins are the ones who DO NOT TAKE THE HOLY SPIRIT FOR THEIR GUIDE! It does NOT say the 5 foolish are the ones who didn't take their leadership for their guide!
VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE PART 1of 6!!! I would like to invite you to please read the entire message and watch videos attached to this post in order to understand the context of this message!! What I am about to share here may challenge some people but it is based on correct gospel principles. As Jesus says in D&C 50. Let us reason together as one man reasons with another so that all may understand. I want this post to act as a mediator between you and those who choose to get vaccinated from those who choose not to get vaccinated. It's not so black and white and I would hate to see anyone leave the church over this because they don't understand how to differentiate between when a Prophet speaks as the mouthpiece of the lord and when he speaks only as a man . The idea is not to tell people that they are apostates if they don't get the Vaccine or that they are following the antichrist system if they do get the vaccine. but instead give them correct principles and let them govern themselves as Joseph Smith taught. That way they can't blame President Nelson or anyone in the church for any possible Vaccine related injuries. Most people are missing some very important factors in all of this. There are many faithful members out there that are willing to do what the Prophet asks of them however the real issue for most members that are struggling with this has nothing to do with them being unwilling to follow the Prophet but instead has everything to do with wheather or not President Nelson was speaking as Russel M Nelson the man, the physician and doctor or wheather he was speaking on behalf of the Lord as Russel M Nelson the Prophet? The following message below is what I posted on another youtube channel a couple of days ago to address some of the concerns this member was having with the First Presidency Message given by our beloved Prophet President Russel M Nelson:
ReplyDelete"Jen please don't leave the church over this! You must stay! I think I can help you understand this. You have to understand that most people in the church do not have a correct understanding of how to differentiate between when a Prophet speaks by the word of God and when he is simply speaking according to his own understanding and wisdom.
For example Brigham Young and and I beleive Joseph Smith both believed that people Lived on the moon. Were they speaking according to revelation they received? Absolutely not. They were speaking according to their own understanding of what the common belief was among scientists and people in that time in history. That does not make any of them a false prophet because they never claimed thus saith the lord or that this understanding came from revelation.
Same with President Nelson. He has not said that he has received revelation from the Lord about this Vaccine. Notice how president Nelson does not advise us saints to follow God and get this Vaccine but instead In his letter he advises us to follow the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and and government leaders. It is clear here that the info he advises us to follow is based on the wisdom of man. Not once did he say that it was based on a revelation from God. The two videos below clearly explain how we can discern wheather a Prophet is speaking by his own wisdom or wheather it is by personal revelation and the word of god.
https://youtu.be/omi6rKpWfoQ
Here is how to differentiate between what is doctrine and not doctrine.
https://youtu.be/C_UkUH993Do
Also watch this video which helps us understand that Prophets are and can sometimes be fallible.
https://youtu.be/yuswTSguu0Q
TO BE CONTINUED ON NEXT POST.
IMPORTANT MESSAGE CONTINUED PART 2!!!
ReplyDeleteTo confirm what I am saying to be true. Let's examine President Nelson council on getting a Vaccine based on the collective witness model from video #1. We begin with the first witness in the model which has to do with receiving revelation through the #1 HOLY SPIRIT. We will now examine those people who have taken this to the Lord in prayer on wheather we should follow the recommendations from a chosen few medical experts. I have talked to many people that have prayed about it. I have yet to hear one person that has prayed about it and get a true confirmation and revelation from the Lord that this Vaccine is safe and that they should follow the advice of a few chosen and selected government medical experts. In this model I would be looking for people who would have a powerful manifestation from God that the Vaccine is safe and effective and not just someone saying I felt peace or I had a good feeling about it after praying about it. Surely if it was safe, there would already be many people by now receiving powerful and true revelation that it is safe.
Now let's look at the 2nd witness in the model which #2 REASON. - We can therefore conclude since it is based on the wisdom of man, we must look at the wisdom of what the medical experts are saying both for and and against the Covid-19 Vaccine to make our best judgement. The problem with some of these medical experts is that they tell us to follow the science without ever showing us the science. Any medical experts that speak out about the harmful effects of this Vaccines are censored. Fact checkers are then sent in to try and discredit any prestigious doctor or scientist that is speaking the truth of the harmful effects of this Vaccine.
Whenever I look at the science and the data, I find some of the top medical experts and scientist advising people not to get the Covid-19 Shot. These are some of the top doctors and scientist in the world such as the noble prize winning doctors like Luc Montagnier or inventor of the mrna vaccine Dr Robert Malone. The problem is that when doctors shows us science that goes against what the media and government is telling us, they are being censored and therefore prevents people from finding the truth for themselves. What these top medical experts and scientist are finding and warning people about are that these Vaccines pose harmful, dangerous side effects, that can sometimes even lead to death to those who receive it.
By the way, if you choose not to get the Vaccine based on information coming from top medical doctors telling you to not get the shot because it is dangerous, technically you are still following the Prophet because President Nelson advised us to follow the advice of the medical experts.
So the question now is this. How do you decide which doctors to trust. The doctors like Dr Fauci that say follow the science but never show you the science and are making a large profits from Vaccines or do you trust the many experts doctors that are coming forward everyday with real science and irrefutable evidence risking their entire reputation and careers to warn people of the dangers of these Vaccines? Not only that, I have heard too many horror stories as an Uber Driver to know that these Vaccines are not safe.
TO BE CONTINUED IN PART 3
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B-H6MErxaR4
ReplyDeleteThis guy makes some good points, but I don’t think it is prudent to knowing take a poisonous vaccine into your body, and then expect God to protect you. He references the sign that true believers can take poison without being harmed.
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DeletePrecisely my thoughts as well. If we know what the truth is, what protection do we have if we disobey?
For me, this article is sophomoric, apologetic sophistry.
"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee … seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God. …" Hosea 4:6
#3. THE COLLECTIVE VOICE OF GODS PROPHETS OVERTIME.
ReplyDeleteIf we look at the collective voice of God's Prophets over time, we cannot find any scriptures in the Bible of people receiving Vaccines however in our Latter Day Scriptures we are advised in the Word of Wisdom to not allow any kind of harmful drugs or substances in to our bodies. Not only that but I don't recall Jesus and those who followed him being afraid of going to minister to the poor and needy because they were Lepers and or were diagnosed with other diseases and illnesses.
We also must acknowledge that sometimes when a Prophet speaks according to his own knowledge he is only speaking as a man. When he speaks according to revelation that he has received then it is the same as if it came from the Lords mouth Doctrine and Covenants 1:37-38 President Nelson our beloved Prophet is a man of medicine, therefore he is going to put his trust in the medical community because that is what he knows, trusts and beleives in.
If we read the Bible specifically the New testament, notice how each apostle writing styles were different in what they emphasized. They even had many disagreements on many doctrinal points that sometimes weren't resolved until they received revelation on the matter later on in life.
These words of President Joseph Fielding Smith should guide all of us in our gospel study: “It makes no difference what is written or what anyone has said, if what has been said is in conflict with what the Lord has revealed, we can set it aside. My words, and the teachings of any other member of the Church, high or low, if they do not square with the revelations, we need not accept them. Let us have this matter clear. We have accepted the four standard works as the measuring yardsticks, or balances, by which we measure every man’s doctrine.
“You cannot accept the books written by the authorities of the Church as standards in doctrine, only in so far as they accord with the revealed word in the standard works.
If we are still not sure, We must study both sides out in our mind and in our hearts as Oliver Cowdery was advised to do. look at both sides and then through personal revelation get our own revelation on the matter.
VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE PART 4 OF 6.
ReplyDeleteI see several scenarios that will happen here as a result of the first presidencies message. As a result of believing that prophets are infallible as well as their beleif that everything that comes out of a Prophets mouth is the word of the lord and that they don't have to take it to the lord in prayer to get their own witness.
SCENARIO #1 - This group of members know President Nelson is a Prophet of God but they also beleive and possibly know according to some medical doctors and experts that they have listened to that these Vaccines can cause harm and will cause harm. These members are already starting to speak up calling President Nelson a false prophet. Some of them may even leave the church over this. This will be the first group who's faith will be tested.
SCENARIO #2 - This 2nd group of members also know President Nelson is a prophet of God. This group of members don't have much time to look at both sides and only listen to what the mainstream media doctors are telling them. They will gladly take the shot believing that it is proven and tested to be safe and effective. Not only that but a Prophet of God has spoken it. As they see different family members, possibly themselves and friends begin to suffer injuries from these Vaccines, They will say to themselves and conclude that President Nelson is a false prophet and possibly leave the church over this. All because they didn't understand that everything that comes out of a Prophets mouth is not the word of the lord and that they should have taken personal responsibility to study it out and take it to the lord in prayer and fasting to get their own witness. According to their own logic and according to their false belief that Prophets are infallible, they will say to themselves that President Nelson must be a false prophet because he made a mistake.
CONTINUED ON PART 5
IMPORTANT MESSAGE PART 5!!!
ReplyDeleteSCENARIO #3. This group of members also knows President Nelson is a prophet of God but they are also aware that not everything that comes out of a Prophets mouth is scripture or is a commandment from God. They will study both sides out in their minds and in their hearts and take personal responsibility of the council given by the first Presidency to the Lord in prayer and fasting. As they examine the council through faith and reason by the study of the word of God and the medical advice from medical experts that are both for and against the Covid -19 Vaccine, they will be able to take this to the Lord in more confidence knowing and showing God that they have done all they can to find the truth in all of this. In the end the lord will have the final word on wheather that particular person should get the shot or not. If the Lord gives that person personal revelation to not get the shot. That person will know in his heart that he was willing to get the shot if the Lord commanded him to do so even if that person knew it was dangerous. On the other hand if the lord were to give a person a powerful revelation to go ahead and get the shot, he or she would act on that revelation because of his or her desire to be obedient to the Lord no matter what the possible outcome would be. This way if that person does suffer negative side effects from the vaccine they cannot blame the church, the Prophets or anyone that encourages them to get the Vaccine. The only one left to blame would be themselves and God because God is the one that spoke to them through revelation to get the shot and they are the ones that chose to act on that revelation. Therefore the church is still true and President Nelson is still a true prophet of god. At this point the person would have to take this up with the Lord to find out why the lord gave revelation to get the Covid-19 shot knowing that person would be injured by it. There could be many reasons. One of many reasons could be to make sure that person would not be taken out of there home and separated from their family and put in a Quarantine Center for choosing not to get the Covid-19 Shot.. As Paul said we only see through a glass darkly and cannot always see the big picture until the end. We must learn to always follow the holy spirit because only God knows the end from the beginning. As President Russel M Nelson said.
"In coming days, it will not be possible to survive spiritually without the guiding, directing, comforting and constant influence of the Holy Ghost,”
IMPORTANT MESSAGE PART 6!!! MY TESTIMONY TO A SISTER HAVING DOUBTS ABOUT THIS CHURCH AND ANYONE ELSE HAVING DOUBTS AFTER THE FIRST PRESIDENCY MESSAGE.
ReplyDeleteNow, when it comes to Jesus Christ and this church, I can bear witness not only of myself that anyone no matter their age, religion and race. who prays to God that Jesus is the Savior of all mankind and that this is his church will get an answer that it is true. That is the only answer I have received and that anyone who has prayed about it has received.
In all of my life or in all of the history of this church there has never been one testimony that I have heard of where they claimed to have gone to the lord in prayer and ask if it is all true and received a revelation from God that it wasn't true. and if not it is always based on the wisdom and knowledge of man that lead someone out of this church. No one ever thinks about this but think about it, this is one of the most powerful witnesses of Jesus Christ and this church. Surely there would many good and faithful Christian testimonies by now stating that God revealed to them through personal revelation that this church is not of God. There is none that I know of of.
Along with this I have spent over 10 years putting a documentary together that confirms everything that was revealed to the Prophet Joseph to be true and that this is Christ Church which will be here until Christ's Return. I won't go into detail on this but all I will say is Wow!! It is all so true and most of us members know it only by faith but now I have a complete picture of how great this work is and how God is going to do a great work through this church and its members. So hang in there. don't give up and have faith. God will help bring understanding to your doubt as you strive to be faithful.
If you have any doubts about the church this channel ( Latter Day Saints' Q&A) is very helpful in answering any and all attacks that the critics have made against this church. "
https://youtu.be/LGMzR3YvR38