http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1039849853
HERE IS THE ORIGINAL PROPHECY:
This was a letter from Nephi Packard to A. Milton Musser on July 24, 1896:
"... My brother, Noah Packard, says that he heard the Prophet Joseph say that the next great (U.S. civil) war after the war of the rebellion (the Civil War of the 1860's between the North and the South) would commence in a little town now called Chicago but at that time it would have grown to be a very large city. And another brother told me that the Prophet said that the cause of the next great trouble of the United States would be the depreciation of the currency of the United States. I believe I have given you all the facts in as short and concise manner as possible."
Another quote regarding the Civil War itself comes from an interview by Dr. Poulson with David Whitmer, printed in the Deseret News on Friday, August 16, 1878:
Question: When will the temple be built in Independence?
Answer: Right after the great tribulation is over
Question: What do you mean by that?
Answer: A civil war more bloody and cruel than the rebellion. It will be the smashing up of this nation, about which time the second great work has to be done, a work like Joseph did, and the translation of the sealed plates and peace all over.
AND HERE IS THE FUEL THAT THEY ARE THROWING ON THE FIRE - INCOME TAXES INCREASING BY HALF. THAT IS RICH. INSTEAD OF CUTTING SERVICES BY 1/3, THESE JOKERS ARE GOING TO TAX PEOPLE INTO THE GROUND. WHAT A JOKE!!!! WE ARE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR THE PERFECT STORM OF RIOTING AND GENERAL DISCONTENT THAT LEADS TO SOCIAL CHAOS.
Illinois Income Tax May Jump 50 Percent
Report: Gov. Pat Quinn Wants Tax Hike To Fight Deficit Reporting
Joanie Lum CHICAGO (CBS) ―
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CBS
(3/10/2009)
State Faces Bigger Budget Crisis Than Realized (2/4/2009)
Income taxes in Illinois could soon be going up by as much as 50 percent to combat deficits in a difficult state budget.
As CBS 2's Joanie Lum reports, Gov. Pat Quinn is reportedly considering raising taxes to deal with a growing budget deficit.
Quinn has been hinting about the problems in the state budget this year for some time. He gives his first address on the subject next Wednesday, and there is word that income taxes will go up as 50 percent.
The Chicago Tribune reports that Quinn wants to raise the state income tax to 4.5 percent from 3 percent.
Illinoisans have had a lower income tax rate than other states for some time. This would be the first increase in 20 years.
In addition, some business tax breaks would be eliminated, and Quinn promises to tighten state government spending.
Quinn will balance the increase by raising the standard tax exemption up to $6,000 per person from $2,000, to help low- and middle-income families.
The income tax increase could bring in nearly $4 billion. The budget deficit is expected to be more than $9 billion by the summer of 2010.
Taxpayers in Chicago weren't surprised, but many said the timing is poor.
"We already can't afford to pay the taxes – people who have homes and what have you now, so it's going to be really rough," said Nadeja Borras.
"Already, the taxes are pretty high, so it could be a disadvantage for the State of Illinois," said Sara Mirarefi.
But some Chicagoans thought a tax increase might be necessary.
"I think it's about time somebody's got the guts to go in there and say, 'Hey, we have to increase taxes,'" said Jim Kauss. "We have to pay for this. it's not free."
State lawmakers are also talking about raising gasoline taxes to pay for road and bridge construction. Fees on driver's licenses and license plate stickers may also go up.
CBS 2 Political Editor Mike Flannery is talking one-on-one with Gov. Quinn later in the day.
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AND THERE IS MORE. INSTEAD OF CUTTING BACK, THE SOCIALIST PIGS ARE RATCHETING UP THE COST OF LIVING THERE WHILE THE ABILITY TO PAY IS GREATLY REDUCED. VERY SMART....
ONCE MORE THAN 50% OF THE PIGS ARE FEEDING AT THE TROUGH, THEY WILL KEEP VOTING IN MORE SLOP FOR THEMSELVES AND THEN IT NOSE-DIVES IN. HERE IS THE LATEST REBELLION:
Parking Meter Revolt: Frustration Over High Costs Reporting
Jay Levine CHICAGO (CBS) ―
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Chicagoans are so frustrated with broken parking meters and high costs, some are vandalizing the meters.
CBS
They are taking more of your quarters every day. And Chicagoans are in revolt. While some are saying enough by avoiding them, others are taking out their frustrations on the parking meters - literally! CBS 2 Chief Correspondent Jay Levine reports with the anger behind the new meter rate increases.
You think eight is enough? How about 12? That's how many quarters buy an hour of parking time in some places now. And its why some people have had enough.
Near Broadway and Addison, meter after meter are broken.
"I called the company and I said I don't want a ticket," one woman said.
LAZ is a Chicago company which collects the money for the New York owner which paid the city $1.2 billion to lease the city's 36,000 meters for 75 years. They've pasted new stickers on them, doubled the rates to as much as a quarter for five minutes in the Loop. That's $3 an hour to $2 an hour in many other neighborhoods. People are angry.
"People come into this neighborhood for entertainment reasons, and you can't anymore because meters are so expensive," said Joe DiSalvo.
And people are frustrated.
"It's jammed," a woman said.
CBS 2 called the company, too; twice to New York, another to Chicago. They didn't call back. We also called the city. They called back but basically said, 'not our meters anymore, not our problem anymore.'
Enter a guy who calls himself 'Mike The Parking Ticket Geek.' He contacted us via Twitter and showed us his website, theexpiredmeter.com, which he used to give people advice on how to beat parking tickets. The site has become a lightning rod for peoples' complaints about the new rates and operators.
Mike says the people who are writing to him have a sense of "anger, frustration, rage in some cases."
To the point where some, it appears, are vandalizing the meters. Pictures on Mike's website show meters deliberately smashed, taken apart, spray-painted, or deliberately jammed.
"People suggest taking a quarter, putting some super glue on it, and putting it in the coin slot," Mike said.
That jams the meter and everyone parks for free. Or not at all.
All over the city, we saw stretches of meters empty in places where people had been fighting for spots. Having to put in 12 quarters an hour was either too inconvenient or too expensive.
The credit card meters, promised for the entire city within six months, are still rare. And peoples' patience is wearing thin.
"Some people write me and say, 'this is the last straw, my condo is for sale, sales tax, red light cameras.' It's just too much for some people,'" Mike said.
The meter people have said they hope to get things straightened out by April 10th. Some have suggested a moratorium on tickets until they do. But with the city having given up the proceeds from the meters but still getting the revenue for the tickets, the meter revolt may fall on deaf ears.
(© MMIX, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)
I am interested in your source for this quote concerning the second civil war commencing in Chicago "This was a letter from Nephi Packard to A. Milton Musser on July 24, 1896" Could you tell me where this is published? Thanks.... Interesting blog... my first visit here.... in the word of the former gov of kalifornia "I'll be back"
ReplyDeleteI just posted the question about the original source for the quote about the second civil war commencing in Chicago, "This was a letter from Nephi Packard to A. Milton Musser on July 24, 1896" where is it published? I have never posted a comment anywhere on the internet before... do you just answer questions in comments here? or do you need my email address or something.... is this the only way to communicate with you?
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ReplyDeleteThis blog is more of a dog and pony show and I really don't have much time to do research into stuff unless it falls into my lap (like my now-fav Eliza R. Snow hymn from the 1895 hymnal), so there is not alot of sourcing from the original stuff. Best way to get ahold of me is through the comments. Glad you like this place - I am gathering quite the little mountain of interesting stuff. By the time I find everything I am looking for, the Second Coming will be over and it will be just an interesting comparison of how the actual event actually played out against the prophecies that were written down. We live in exciting times.... As far as the Musser quote, I seem to remember a quote from a diary in the Deseret News. I may actually try to source that one day when I have alot of spare time..... :(
Baloney. That "little town now called Chicago" was largerthan Nauvoo in 1844, when the Saints (mistakenly) considered Nauvoo the largest city in the western US.
ReplyDeleteThe census data from 1890, found at http://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0027/tab12.txt, lists Chicago as the second-largest city in America at the time, with a population exceeding one million.
Not so sure anonymous. The railroad and the spin-off industry such as meat packing and grain shipment is what made Chicago great. The railroad was not online in any major way at that point. The growth was explosive during and after the Civil War. Please provide the census data from 1840 to prove your point. Something from 50 years later does not cut it for me..... I can cite examples of cities growing at that explosive rate within 50 years. I still publish your comment because I would like to see your facts - if they exist..... Otherwise, I enjoy baloney on a light wheat bread with some mayo, mustard and some lettuce and pickle. Chicago-style would be fine, as well....
ReplyDeleteThe population of Chicago about the time which Joseph Smith would have said that quote was only about 4500 people,doesn't look good for you anonymous from 2011.Also I will show you how hard it would be to make a prediction like that about Chicago,I served a Mission in northern Ohio,one of my areas was Kirtland.At the time when the Church was at Kirtland building the Temple(1830's),it had about the same population as Cleveland,now Kirtland has about 7,000 people,and how many people do you think now live in Cleveland?Yea,that is how hard it would have been to guess that Chicago could have grown from a very small town into what it is today.I'd say,another fulfilled prophesy by a living later day Prophet,Joseph Smith!!!
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