So, there is not one good and true LDS person that I know of that has not been conflicted over what just transpired over the last few years. It truly has been an enigma - trying to navigate everything.
Not sure who was "pulling the levers" on everything (whether it was done on purpose by Church leadership, or whether they truly were hoodwinked or seduced by the gadiantons in power). All I know is that it left me questioning where I have chosen to put my trust (in the works of man, or in God's word alone). On that note, I have to say that I clearly have leaned too far to my own understanding in some ways and have put my trust in a mere mortal more than I should have). This leads to disillusionment. Many good people have walked away from salvageable marriages, business relationships, etc because they had too high of expectations and were not grounded in realism. We have set ourselves up for failure for having (among other things) repeated over the pulpit that the Prophet will never lead us astray. This is a false notion repudiated by Brigham Young and many people including Joseph Smith (all of whom were intimately familiar with their own shortcomings as mere mortals). It is folly to assume that a human will never make a mistake. It simply happens too often. The Salamander Letter is an excellent case study in this happening.
The other extreme from that position (the position of blindly following a mortal leader) is to mistrust anything and everything that they say. The sweetspot is simply allowing the Spirit to ratify the statements of the mortal and then either embrace it - or reject the notion in question.
A wise reader (likely my wife) shared the following comment:
This is how you find the code. The first step takes some time. Just go back and read all of President Nelson’s conference addresses. While you are listening or reading these conference talks, since he became prophet, get a paper and pen, and write down every “to do” thing he counselled us. When you have read all these talks and written down what he said to do, then get back on the comments and say when you are done. The code doesn’t work so well, if you don’t do it bit by bit. So once you have done that part of the steps, then say when in the comments. Then comes the next part of the code.
I have never known his counsel to be nefarious. Even the needle hanging from the shoulder in Jan 2021, I was still able to see it for what it was. I think if people were not too lazy, they would find this to be sound counsel and President Nelson would likely be (largely) exonerated. Although I believe that he still dies a "non-natural (of old age)" death. Not sure if it is by violence, etc. We shall see. Time will tell.
If I am reading this wrong - and it may take a lifetime to figure out - and President Nelson is knowingly leading us astray, then there literally will be hell to pay because large numbers of people have been and will be affected by this.
Actions speak so much louder than words. As soon as they showed President Nelson getting the injection on TV, my parents who up until that point were skeptical, immediately went out and got it.
ReplyDeleteYou have gone too far. You actually think God would allow our prophet to be leading us astray? I have followed your blog for like 10 plus years but it’s officially time for me to say goodbye. You’re slowly falling into strange paths.
ReplyDeleteI know for sure that President Nelson is a prophet of God and is our mouth piece from
God. He and the brethren love and lead this- His church. God would not allow him to be corrupt. And lead us astray. I encourage you to put the shot needle issue on the shelf. And trust that you’ll understand it all later (if that’s what you’re really hung up
About) you need to read
And then review what “following the Holy Ghost” means.
I suggest watching Patterns of Light by Elder Bednar - it’s a 3 part series.
Revelation comes bits at a time and we can’t see everything at once. I do know that anything our prophet says would never lead us contrary to our own good. I’m sad that you are so boldly considering that some
Other powers are controlling the church.
What are you talking about! Are
You crazy?
Best of luck.z I truly hope you’ll be able
To repent and realign yourself with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Read your D & C and pray for forgiveness for breaking your temple covenants and evil speaking of our leadership.
really you honestly believe the shot was safe and effective and our leaders like fauci are great government leaders, dude you have been drinking the cool-aid too long, all three statements were bologna, use the spirit which pres nelson told you too. his statement wasnt on official paper, your government is run totally by gadiaton robbers, time to wake up
DeleteWith the church? Or realign with the Saviour?
DeleteWell I believe that the Savior is at the Head of His true Church.
DeleteThe temple says evil speaking of the Lord’s anointed. Period. Is it evil, if it’s truth? Does anointed only apply to leadership, or every person who has been anointed in the temple? We can’t build on a false foundation. In order to be redeemed, our foundation and trust must only be on JESUS CHRIST.
DeleteThere zero chance that the Lord endorsed the CV jab for anyone, or inspired a single soul to take it to save their lives. It was not a "miracle we've been praying for." Quite the contrary. It's provably true that covid and the jab are both man-made crimes on humanity, so to believe that the Lord had anything to do with it, or would want us to take that drug while saying nothing about natural immunity, is to suggest that the Lord endorsed the crime.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure the Holy Ghost allayed fears to people who had no choice but to take it, and healed them. I don't doubt that. But Elder Bednar himself said that church's covid policy was based on President Nelson's history as a doctor, not revelation. Well, most doctors were hoodwinked by the criminals. This fact was obvious to some of us from the get-go. It's becoming obvious to those who will are finally waking up.
None of this means President Nelson isn't a prophet. It simply means he's human like the rest of us. This jab issue exposed a big cultural flaw in the church: too many members put their faith in men and are not following Nelson's Hear Him council--which actually was the inspiration he should have emphasized during covid--rather than reiterating government propaganda word for word. Let's hope the church leadership learned a lesson. (Something tells me that they didn't, and they'll continue pushing CDC guidance as a matter of (uninspired) vax policy.) Well find out this Fall.
How can you say “there is zero chance” ? That means you have no faith, hope, or belief. You actually KNOW for a fact. So God told you face to face that vaccine didn’t help save lives?
DeleteI’d love some quotes where BY and JS repudiated this idea that the prophet is infallible. Could you please share?
ReplyDelete"None are required to tamely and blindly submit to a man because he has a portion of the Priesthood" (Brigham Young - Millennial Star 1852).
Delete“We have heard men who hold the priesthood remark that they would do anything they were told to do by those who preside over them even if they knew it was wrong; but such obedience is worse than folly to us; it is slavery in the extreme; and the man who would thus willingly degrade himself, should not claim a rank among intelligent beings, until he turns from his folly. A man of God would despise the idea. Others, in the extreme exercise of their almighty authority have taught that such obedience was necessary, and that no matter what the saints were told to do by their presidents, they should do it without any questions. When Elders of Israel will so far indulge in these extreme notions of obedience as to teach them to the people, it is generally because they have it in their hearts to do wrong themselves, and wish to pave the way to accomplish that wrong, and wish to use the cloak of their authority to cover it with;” (Joseph Smith Millennial Star, vol.14 #38, page 593-95).
This is a question that has really bothered me, why did President Nelson take the vaccines and push them on Church members? If you want to know the answer, turn to the scriptures. Read Daniel 8 which explains that in latter days the holy and mighty people are destroyed. A people are only holy if they make and keep covenants, so this must be referring to us. How do you destroy such a people? By leading them astray. How do you lead them astray? Through their leaders.
ReplyDeletePresident Nelson is Judas Iscariot that the Lord allowed into his position because the Church was apostatizing through worldliness, pornography, and greed. (Isaiah 30:9-14)
If you will ask Heavenly Father to show you the truth about President Nelson He will tell you what He told me and lead you to the sources to prove it. I would have done anything President Nelson asked, and I did. But know I know that man is a nightmare.
Remember that the Lord taught the Nephites that "all things" in Isaiah have a dual nature and "have been and shall be". That means that everything in Isaiah was written for our day. The go and read Isaiah 1, 3, 28, 30. Read D&C 64 and ask yourself, if the Lord is obviously talking about the presiding bishop in v. 40 why do people think the Lord is talking about the prophet of Parowan or the Community of Christ apostles in v. 39? He isn't.
Read section 85 and ask yourself who is the one who steadies the ark. He was called of God and appointed, so who is it?
Read section 101 and ask yourself what the parable of the nobleman and the olive trees means? I bet when the Ensign Peak investments was unveiled the Church leaders wish they could get rid of that section. How could a parable be more prophetic? It couldn't.
I know this is painful but the truth was revealed in the scriptures. Search them and then look at the fruits of this prophet. Not his words, but his works. WEF and UNICEF membership. Church meetings suspended for over a year and the temples closed. NAACP donations. Because of fungibility we have funded abortion through out donations to UNICEF and the NAACP. Politically correct pronouns at BYU women's conference (trust me, he was aware of that presentation before it happened and after, too).
It's a lot to take in, but have faith. This is part of the Lord's plan and if we'll have faith in the Lord maybe we'll get to see Zion. That's my hope. If you cannot receive this message, then delete it. But remember, when we come before Christ you cannot say you weren't warned.
100% not possible. What you are saying is Blasphemy. And I equally promise you that in the end, your eyes will be opened to know that Russel Nelson was one of the greatest prophets of the Last Days
DeleteLOL, you guys are too much. Iraq and all of you should renounce your membership and get it over with. You all must be listening to the wrong spirit. President Nelsen is absolutely the prophet of God for this Latter Day church. You’d get closer to God and stop this nonsense by abiding his counsel. You all are very lost regardless of what counter argument you have. Many of you have made sacred covenants to not speak evil of the Lords anointed… yet you continue to do so. I invite you to repent. For it is surely needed.
DeleteYou won’t see Zion with your apostate views. Might as well remove your name from records of the Church.
DeleteAnonymous, stating that it is impossible for the prophet to fall is what is actual blasphemy. That's because blasphemy is either denigrating deity or considering a man to be deity and that's what you're doing with President Nelson, whether you realize it or not. Instead of using ad hominem attacks, why don't you address the substance of my arguments? Did I misuse scriptures or did I write something that is non-scriptural? If not, why do you attack me? It's because you are blind and cannot see the truth. We are to live by every word of God, but why do you ignore Deuteronomy 18:20-22? "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass...the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."
DeleteThe First Presidency pushed the Covid-19 vaccines when they stated unequivocally that those vaccines are safe and effective in a letter to the Church which bore the name of the Lord. Anyone who thinks that those vaccines are safe and effective is really, really not paying attention. The CDC admits that they aren't effective in the least and there are tons of studies, statistics, and insurance reports (all-cause mortality up 40 percent in one state which is like a 1 in a trillion year event) that show that they are quite dangerous. So, why don't you believe the Lord's prophet Moses? Didn't the Lord state that we live by ALL of His words?
Why should I remove my name from the Church records? This isn't Russell Nelson's church, although he acts like it is with his huge birthday parties and church provided full-sized cutouts for selfies.
DeleteThis is the Savior's church and I believe He will send one mighty and strong to set the Church in order soon enough (D&C 85). Your harshness towards me is vaguely reminiscent of the Jews of olden times. I'll try to stick with the word of God, if the current prophet starts to violate it, and I'm pretty sure that's what Heavenly Father would want.
Speaking the truth is not speaking evil of the Lord's anointed. Otherwise, it would make the scriptures non-sensical. It clearly states in JST Mark 9:46 that if our eye...him that is appointed to watch over thee to show thee light, become a transgressor...pluck him out. How are we to do this if we can't make true accusations against the Lord's anointed? In D&C 107:82-84 it outlines the process for excommunicating the president of the Church. Why would the Lord put something like that into the scriptures if He were to forbid us from ever making true accusations? This interpretation of the temple ordinance stands the Lord's word on its head.
Delete"And, to be perfectly frank, there have been times when members or leaders in the Church have simply made mistakes. There may have been things said or done that were not in harmony with our values, principles, or doctrine.
ReplyDeleteI suppose the Church would be perfect only if it were run by perfect beings. God is perfect, and His doctrine is pure. But He works through us—His imperfect children—and imperfect people make mistakes.
In the title page of the Book of Mormon we read, “And now, if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment-seat of Christ.”
This is the way it has always been and will be until the perfect day when Christ Himself reigns personally upon the earth.
It is unfortunate that some have stumbled because of mistakes made by men. But in spite of this, the eternal truth of the restored gospel found in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not tarnished, diminished, or destroyed."
"Come, Join with Us", Dieter F. Uchtdorf, October 2013 General Conference
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2013/10/come-join-with-us?id=title8,p38-p42&lang=eng#title8
As I look back over this blog it reads very much like a blog someone like Chad Daybell would keep. Someone who thinks he knows things he can’t. He can never be wrong. A narcissist to the highest degree. But, the beauty of this life is we have the Atonement to make things right. The author of this blog is loved so much by our Heavenly Father that these apostate writings can be forgiven and forgotten. I can tell also, by the little I have read, that the author has a great sense of humor and under all of this bluster a great personality and means well. Somehow though he has lost his way. This last blog post was the most shocking, and reading a couple of comments written by followers of this same apostate attitude has caused me to write this comment myself, though I know it won’t make it to the comment section.
ReplyDeleteFor those flinging the apostate accusations, be thou humble, like President Joseph Fielding Smith.
ReplyDeleteIn 1961, Joseph Fielding Smith stated that man would never land on the moon. When then-President Joseph Fielding Smith was asked about this during a 1971 press conference, he responded humbly, “Well, I was wrong, wasn’t I?”
The clot shot was designed, created,
distributed, and pushed by those with evil intent. If you do not know this, you have denied the spirit, are willfully blind, and ignored president Nelson's counsel.
There are a number of careless accusations of apostasy being thrown around in these comments. I'm trying to understand where that's coming from. It's not apostasy to be an honest seeker of truth, and Iraq seems to be a genuine seeker of truth.
ReplyDeletePresident Nelson, in his position as president of the church, and knowing that people follow his every word, made a statement that is objectivity untrue. He claimed (repeating the script provided by the "wise" government leaders) that the shots were safe and effective. It's demonstrably not safe as there are hundreds of thousands of recorded injuries and deaths directly associated with the shots. It's also clearly not effective by any definition of the word.
So, if you belive that a prophet is infallible and is always speaking the words of Christ, that presents you with a pickle. Either you accept the falsehood that was uttered as truth, or you have a crisis of faith.
On the other hand, if you acknowledge that prophets are men doing their best and many times get it wrong, and sometimes spectacularly so, you don't have to worry about it. "Follow the prophet" is an incorrect principle. The correct version is Follow Christ, and heed the counsel of prophets when they are preaching of Christ.
Those who claim a prophet can't lead people in error don't understand two key principles. First, the Lord said cursed is he that putteth his trust in the arm of flesh. That includes prophets. Our trust is to be in Christ and Christ alone. The second is agency. No matter your calling or position, God will never take away your agency, even if we use it for ill or in ignorance. God would not "take out" a prophet before he says something incorrect. That notion is a lie and does not align with scripture.
This is a test.. we're not here to just go along with the crowd, even in church. We're to be tested, and that includes testing whether we'll trust in Christ, even if it goes against what we've been taught our whole lives, and even if it goes against what a trusted man (but still arm of the flesh) tells us to do.
Seeking truth and calling out error isn't apostasy. It's how we progress.
I can't believe how many people here think that the church president is also their pharmacist. Those of you playing the Prophet card to justify taking an injection of what's literally a bioweapon are what's wrong with church culture. You're zombies who think #HearHim means listen only to the LDS church president (a mortal) rather than engaging your brain. President Nelson is a good man but obviously wasn't following the Fauci/IHC/CDC crime. Did you know that DNA sequencing patented by Moderna was found in Covid 19 (the virus)? The patent was filed three years before covid hit. This means that the vax makers also made the virus! But yeah, if you feel good about playing that self-righteous Prophet card on fellow members who aren't as gullible as you, go ahead. We'll sit back and watch you walk of the cliff with every other lemming.
ReplyDeleteRead it and weep. For those of you who don't understand the basic concept of a prophet. https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/latter-day-saints-get-wrong-about-living-prophets
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