Wednesday, January 30, 2019

M2C - MESO AMERICA TO CUMORAH

Okay, so I have to share from an e-mail thread I had the other day:


I think M2C stands for Middle America OR MesoAmerica to Cumorah.

I CANNOT STAND the intellectuals (Pharisees) in the Church….  They drive me absolutely nuts.  Stick with Joseph Smith I always say.  He kind of had the inside track on that kind of stuff (sarcasm).  I cannot believe someone would discount those who were right there.  All of this intellectualism came about in the early 1900’s.  So much as hi-jacked back then, from the banking system by the Fed to our Republican form of government by the Progressives and democratists to so much else.  The Church’s base teachings were, as well.

I still will not read Jesus the Christ simply because of the author’s views on evolution which also crept into the Church at the same time due to his intellectual pontificating.

I sincerely hope he is simmering in the pokey for a little bit for what damage he did in the Church and to good men like Bishop John Koyle who had real gifts that an intellectual will NEVER have because they rely on the arm of flesh instead of the Spirit.  Stuff like that should not go unpunished.  He was half way to Snufferism with his apostasy – but you at least have to give snuffer his dues for trying to stick to the base teachings of Joseph Smith…

Ok – rant off.

Hope you are all having a good day.

IRAQ


Subject: Re: Fw: "Moroni's America" – The North American Setting for the Book of Mormon

I am trying to find out what M2C stands for. I do not see a description. I can see where this could become a point of major conflict with members. It is very obvious to me. I fully accept the heartland model. It is so right on so many fronts.
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Subject: "Moroni's America" – The North American Setting for the Book of Mormon

"Moroni's America" – The North American Setting for the Book of Mormon


Posted: 28 Jan 2019 06:30 AM PST
At Stake Conference this weekend, we sang “An Angel from on High,” a song that ought to settle the Cumorah issue because it’s based on actual Church history, not the M2C philosophies of men.
Even before he obtained the plates, Joseph knew the name of the hill was Cumorah because Moroni told him. We know this from Joseph’s mother, Lucy Mack Smith.
When he went on his mission to the Lamanites with Parley P. Pratt, Oliver Cowdery explained to people that Moroni said the hill was called Cumorah anciently.
Pratt wrote this hymn that memorializes what Moroni told Joseph Smith that first night–years before Joseph obtained the plates.
First verse:
1. An angel from on high
The long, long silence broke;
Descending from the sky,
These gracious words he spoke:
Lo! in Cumorah’s lonely hill
A sacred record lies concealed.
Lo! in Cumorah’s lonely hill
A sacred record lies concealed.
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Oliver Cowdery wrote the most detailed account of Moroni’s visit, now found in Letter IV, which you can read in Joseph Smith’s personal history, here.
During his first visit to Joseph, Moroni explained that the history was “written and deposited not far from” Joseph’s home; i.e., Mormon and Moroni abridged the records while living in western New York.
This was well understood during Joseph’s lifetime. For example, Heber C. Kimball joined the Church with Brigham Young when they lived in western New York. (Kimball was later one of Brigham Young’s counselors in the First Presidency.) Kimball wrote,

“In the towns of Boomfield, Victor, Manchester, and in the regions round about, there were hills upon the tops of which were entrenchments and fortifications, and in them were human bones, axes, tomahawks, points of arrows, beads and pipes, which were frequently found; and it was a common occurrence in the country to plow up axes, which I have done many times myself. I have visited the fortifications on the tops of these hills frequently… The hill Cumorah is a high hill for that country and had the appearance of a fortification or entrenchment around it. In the State of New York, probably there are hundreds of these fortifications which are now visible, and I have seen them in many other parts of the United States.” Life of Heber C. Kimball, p. 25.
Our M2C scholars teach that President Kimball didn’t know what he was talking about.
Ask your Seminary or Institute or BYU or Sunday School teacher about President Kimball’s statement. Most likely, they have never heard what President Kimball wrote. They’ll consult the “experts” and come back to tell you President Kimball was mistaken, or speculating, or ignorant, solely because of M2C.
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It’s all very simple. The prophets have consistently and persistently reaffirmed this basic teaching that the hill Cumorah of Mormon 6:6 is in western New York.
Nevertheless, the M2C intellectuals (who, unfortunately, are very influential) have persuaded many members of the Church to disbelieve the prophets.
At least we have this hymn to remind us of what really happened.
Full lyrics.
  1. 1. An angel from on high
The long, long silence broke;
Descending from the sky,
These gracious words he spoke:
Lo! in Cumorah’s lonely hill
A sacred record lies concealed.
Lo! in Cumorah’s lonely hill
A sacred record lies concealed.
  1. 2. Sealed by Moroni’s hand,
It has for ages lain
To wait the Lord’s command,
From dust to speak again.
It shall again to light come forth
To usher in Christ’s reign on earth.
It shall again to light come forth
To usher in Christ’s reign on earth.
  1. 3. It speaks of Joseph’s seed
And makes the remnant known
Of nations long since dead,
Who once had dwelt alone.
The fulness of the gospel, too,
Its pages will reveal to view.
The fulness of the gospel, too,
Its pages will reveal to view.
  1. 4. The time is now fulfilled,
The long-expected day;
Let earth obedience yield
And darkness flee away.
Remove the seals; be wide unfurled
Its light and glory to the world.
Remove the seals; be wide unfurled
Its light and glory to the world.
  1. 5. Lo! Israel filled with joy
Shall now be gathered home,
Their wealth and means employ
To build Jerusalem,
While Zion shall arise and shine
And fill the earth with truth divine.
While Zion shall arise and shine
And fill the earth with truth divine.
  1. Text: Parley P. Pratt, 1807-1857
Music: John E. Tullidge, 1806-1873
7.                    SCRIPTURES
Photos of the hill Cumorah from Church history are available here:
https://history.lds.org/media/38-hill-cumorah?lang=eng#1
The Tabernacle Choir recorded the hymn here:



Source: Book of Mormon Wars

5 comments:

  1. I grew up in that area and have made many trips there.I visited once during the off season and I got to have a very long conversation with the brother in charge at that time.
    When this subject came up he told me that he had in his desk a letter from The Prophet stating that this "iS THE HILL CUMORAH".

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  2. M2C means: Mesoamerica 2 Cumorahs (Theory)

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  3. M2C is known to Jonathan Neville as Mesoamerica Two Cumorahs. Most Mesoamericanist scholars (used to be one myself before I read a blog called NephiCode that proposes a South America setting)
    believe that there were two cumorahs-one in NY and the other somewhere in Central Mexico.

    The Church came out with a letter stressing their continued neutrality on the subject of geography.

    I think in the end all of us are going to be surprised.

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  4. It has always seemed to me that activities up until Christ came, took place in Central America. In the AD there is no mention of the narrow piece of land anymore for the people had spread all across the land and all of the history we get up until Moroni takes place in the North American continent. There was a Zarahemla, but then it is possible it was named after the city in the south. There is a Salem in Massachusetts and a Salem in Utah, home of Koyle's Dream Mine.

    But I can't make sense of the pyramids in Central America along with so many other ruins in South America. They don't seem to relate to the temple. They don't seem to fit in with the Nephite society. How quickly they built cities and all. Much of it is still a mystery.

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    1. Check out nephicode.com or nephicode.blogspot.com

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