Let me say here. I know the Book of Mormon is true. Period. I take no arguments to the contrary. I have a spiritual witness (or, should I say, multitudinous witnesses) - and then I have the common sense witness - and then I have this kind of thing. The physical witness. I love this kind of thing. Wayne May has done a mighty work in fighting back against the misconceptions in and out of the Church:
Amazing stuff. Good for FHE.
Yes, Brother May's stuff is VERY compelling and well researched and makes perfect sense.
ReplyDeleteWORD OF CAUTION: His counterpart, Jake Hilton, from Mormon Evidence who is now considered an apostate because of his "The Time is Now" series is also on You Tube. He faults church leaders for false doctrine and teaches not to watch the videos after a certain point because you'll be condemned for knowing the information and not acting on it which pertains to Calling and Election. It's like a 51 hour series and at the very end he turns to the camera straight at you and discloses details of his calling and election experience. Up until then he's been speaking to an audience you can't see.
He says four angels show up and bless him in a language he can't understand at first and he has to ask them what they're doing. Then they tell him they're blessing him in language he can understand. Then he says he feels hands touch his arms that belong to Jesus Christ and that he now KNOWS Jesus Christ.
He looks pale and his voice shakes when he speaks of his experience. I have to wonder if he's been influenced by Denver Snuffer.
He quotes Wilford Woodruff as the holder of the King of False Doctrine that church leaders cannot lead us astray. He literally calls out Elder Uchtdorf, Elder Ballard, and Elder Oaks for preaching false doctrine. He speaks of the temple ordinances being changed when Joseph Smith said NOT to change them.
He says angels/translated beings can come and bless you, that you don't need mortal priesthood authority here for it to occur.
He says we haven't been taught the true meaning of marriage and that that is being married to Jesus Christ as our husbandman. The man quotes over 2,000 scriptures to back up his claims.
I watched the entire lectures mostly out of curiosity because his other videos are like Brother May's with historical facts and are good. Didn't know what to expect.
I heard on LDS Avow (I'm not a member and don't want to be) that his family has come out and asked others to pray for Jake Hilton because they believe he has been deceived by Satan.
Jake Hilton is a REAL live ninja martial artist. His family also said he has a photographic memory of the scriptures and a vast knowledge of them.
It's almost impossible not to like brother Hilton. He seems to be a very sincere and loving individual but something just seems so off about that testimony at the very end in Part 3C of his series.
And his testimony of the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith is all he states. He does not mention the General Authorities. He believes the Church is in a state of apostasy and does not support them. He sees the Church as a big corporation that has gone astray.
And like Snuffer, it seems he is teaching that we can skirt around the leadership to Jesus Christ. The Lord in D&C 43 seems to say otherwise.
Thought I'd better say something because they are associates in Mormon Evidence. There are many teachers from their apologetic association who come from many different backgrounds as diverse as herbal experts to astrophysisist!
Hey I appreciate the warning. I remember years ago seeing a Presentstion b make on bom evidence etc and being impressed with his zealousness. But at the same time I had a creepy feeling that he would be led away and shook it off. Since then I have repeatedly had that same strange impression to be wary of him. So when I opened up his "time is now" series on YouTube as posted by others I saw him and immediately had that same impression again not knowingly why. He talked a bit and I started smelling snuffer. Does that mean that all he says is untrue? No. It only needs to be .0001% untrue to do the adversaries job. Job number one is to sever our link to the Lords servants so that he may sift us as wheat like ships without rudders. Sure the church is in apostasy on many points but it's the members fault not the leaders. And we aren't going to correct it by blaming the leaders. We need to repent and submit ourselves to Jesus Christ, even when he commands us to submit to one another as he has called us in the church and in our families. That really pisses off the natural man inside us but that's the truth. Every dispensation and every people have fallen away eventually. Even Enoch's people had to be removed out of the world to preserve them. We are no different except that our apostasy will be cut short before actually being complete. That's the only promise we have really. I wouldn't be surprised if only 1-10% of the membership stays true. I pray it's more but that's what tests are all about. the prophets have subtly and some not so subtly taught that nothing is ours and we need to be willing to give everything up for God and let nothing be before him or we simply cannot abide a celestial glory. Cjrist sid only his fathers will in all things and that's what we have to follow with Christs atonement to provide us the grace to do so.
DeleteI've been following Wayne May for years, and remember when Jake actually came into the scene about 4-5ish years ago; and although they are (were, really) associates in Book of Mormon Evidence, the very first time I heard him speak, my dad and I totally felt off from the minute he opened his mouth until he concluded his remarks. I love the guy, but there is/was just something about what he taught and how he presented his information that caught us off guard a little. His heart is definitely in the right place; but I am worried that he has been deceived! Wayne May, Rod Meldrum, Amberli Nelson, Timothy Ballard and Johnathan Neville, on the other hand, are power-houses!!!
DeleteI've been following Wayne May for years, and remember when Jake actually came into the scene about 4-5ish years ago; and although they are (were, really) associates in Book of Mormon Evidence, the very first time I heard him speak, my dad and I totally felt off from the minute he opened his mouth until he concluded his remarks. I love the guy, but there is/was just something about what he taught and how he presented his information that caught us off guard a little. His heart is definitely in the right place; but I am worried that he has been deceived! Wayne May, Rod Meldrum, Amberli Nelson, Timothy Ballard and Johnathan Neville, on the other hand, are power-houses!!!
DeleteHe is looking like a Mormon Michael Rood. The problem with being brilliant is that this confidence erodes humility.
DeleteI too enjoyed his early work and what he seemed to be doing, but was a little wary of that 'je ne sais quoi' that I felt.
My greatest concern is that this departure will affect the Heartland Model support.
I started watching his videos and found them interesting until somewhere near the end of part 1 he stated that he has turned down many callings because they were bogus and not from God. I stopped watching from that point.
DeleteWayne put me on to the "The Mystic Symbol". It's non-LDS and some conclusions aren't what someone familiar with the BoM would agree with, but it opened up a world of new ideas.
ReplyDeleteI often wondered why Moroni would devote a chapter to the practice of child baptism. If the Coptics did flee to 350AD America and bring with them that practice, well...