Whomever is trying to call Julie out over missing some date, STOP IT.
You are of the same order as the trash that tried to call Jesus out back in His day. If you have ever tried to get something right when it comes to the three things, events, dates and location - it is nearly impossible. JKR is correct in that establishing dates is difficult, if not impossible. She obviously mis-spoke, but I would hardly throw the baby out with the bathwater, nor kill the messenger without a proper trial. Sheesh.
My guess is you have had zero real effective personal revelation. Get over it.
My guess is that you have no real logic in your head to properly assimilate facts or data. Get over it.
Spencer of VoG fame was made a Bishop - and is in constant contact with the Brethren. They would not have approved that calling were he a charlatan. Julie is saying the same thing - so you need to get over it. She would have been called on the carpet already, if she were a charlatan. You have to know how to (righteously) judge someone - and if I had to choose, it would be her over you.
I will not post cutting comments unless there is logical merit to them - so please do not even attempt. She now has to have body guards/ushers because of people who are obviously a little off their rocker (read; stalker, freak-types). I perceive that she is a little nervous to share her message because it is not safe to talk of personal revelation any more because the Church is so full of spiritually vacuous people who have none of the above because they cannot even begin to qualify for it. God will not be mocked - and will not give it to people who will not qualify for it. So, if you do not have it, shut up unless you can pull it off. Quit trashing on good people because you are insecure in your own lack of spiritual prowess.
I currently do not attend my geographical ward (in Seattle) because of an overzealous freak who gets visibly upset because I put myself out there and do what I have been commanded to do. What is next? Witch trials in EQ for people exercising their gifts? People who have them having to be escorted through the buildings to protect them from the freaks who are demonically enraged because they do not have them? I know why Lehi called himself out early and split with his family - seven years before the event when things got hot in Jerusalem by people who clearly thought they were "hot shi# on a silver platter, but were really cold boogers on a paper plate"...... Just because you go to church every Sunday and pay your tithing does not guarantee you a slot in the Celestial Kingdom. Not every man who says Lord, lord ...... Those who have tried to play gatekeeper here on earth may just find themselves excluded by the One who mans the one that is important up there......
Examine yourselves thoroughly and cut it out.
Uncharitable rant off; over and out.
Honest question/comment here:
ReplyDeleteI haven't ever seen a shred of evidence that Spencer has communicated directly or indirectly. Spencer is anonymous by choice and in his book claims to be in communication with at least one of the Brethren who he also claims was/is an Apostle (I think that is correct, it has been a little while since I read the book). Can you offer any evidence to support the claim that he currently is in communication with any of the Brethren? How are you so sure of his current calling?
I've been reading for a few months now and enjoy the content you post. I would have emailed, but I couldn't find a way to do that from your blog.
Some of us are getting 1/2 the story here. What date and event did Julie Rowe misspeak of that would cause such a strong reaction?
ReplyDeleteTo be fair with the above comment, hardly any of us know who "Spencer's" identity is and what's going on in his life. We took it in good faith on John Pontius's word that this is a real person with a true story to tell. Yes, I've read VoG. And for doing so, I experienced one of the worst demonic attacks I've ever had in my life!
We've been told to keep the Spirit and stand in our own holy place of discernment of truth. The Holy Ghost is and always will be my first choice of Truth about anything/everything/everyone. He is a Holy God in His own right after all. He, in my eyes, is my "armor of God bearer" for me. He has to put it on me, I can't take it upon myself without His help or approval.
It is natural that Julie be nervous. She's a mortal mother who needs to be here for her family. I have a hard time understanding bodyguards/ushers for someone in her position. All flesh is in the Lord's hands. Being truly on His errand under his commandment to testify means you deliver your message with Samuel the Lamanite/Abinadi boldness. No one could touch Ammon without dying when he was unconscious with the King and Queen of the Lamanites. When he was conscious, no one could kill him and he didn't need bodyguards and ushers. The Lord promised his father, Mosiah, he would be kept safe and that was good enough for Mosiah. I know the Lord will protect Julie as long as she's on His errand in His own way. If that means bodyguards/ushers, so be it.
So I guess the question that begs to be answered is did the Lord tell Julie to get bodyguards and ushers? If so, OKAY, they must be angels or sent by the GA's or volunteers or perhaps all three one could suppose. If not, then her work of testifying must be done and she's pushing the envelope by continuing to expose her story/testimony. Otherwise, none of this makes sense to me that she would need them. Guess my faith in the Lord's ability to protect is on an undefeatable Superman level for lack of better words. She can't be harmed or die until He says otherwise.
It's understandable someone would call her out on a mistaken date being as she's doing what she's doing. She makes it plain and clear the information she'll share and what she won't/can't on such a vital matter to a lot of us. I'm sure many hang on her words and are very apprehensive. She helps many be strong and of good courage until they can truly stand in their own holy place.
So naturally, if she makes a mistake with prophecy/date/testifying under the Lord's direction, they lose trust, and she loses some measure credibility which can't be helped.
However, no one has the right to attack her in a vicious manner, especially a fellow Disciple of Jesus Christ, and should be counseled to repent, settle down, and ask her forgiveness. We're all in this together ya know? Tensions are high but God is on our side if we're worthy of it and that's all that should matter to each of us.
God bless you and her to be safe and complete your earthly missions is my prayer.
And please know the tone of this comment is truly being said in a humble, loving manner void of contention and accusation. We all need to remain meek and humble and of service to one another and not bring upon ourselves the Lord's wrath.
Julie is doing a brave and remarkable work. "Spencer" given his profession, was wise to stay anonymous to some extent. I don't blame him at all. Yet, there are some who know who he is and could expose him anytime they wish.
I have not made any decision whether I believe in Julie or Spencer's experiences. I haven't read their books. I have just a general understanding of what their books are about. I have had a few of my own spiritual experiences that I know were very real, but nowhere near the extent of what Julie or Spencer claim. I believe that these things are possible, but I also believe that there has been much philosophy of men mingling with scripture of late. I try to remain curious about gifts I know are given to us from Heavenly Father, while at the same time being cautious of satan's imitations.
DeleteAnonymous, you need to remember that Heavenly Father does not always keep his servants nor the innocent from harm. Joseph Smith endured numerous attacks and was killed. In the Book of Mormon, Alma was restrained from stretching forth his hand and saving the innocent women and children who were being cast into the fire. I am fully confident that there are times in our day when Heavenly Father does both: protects his disciples and/or lets them suffer. Both of these actions are wisdom in him for our benefit and for bringing about his plan.
Hellllloooooooo??? I DO KNOW THAT.
DeleteAgain, I am simply stating that any servant authorized on an errand for the Lord, who is valiant in his/her service to complete said errand, cannot be harmed until their work/message is completed and that's a fact unless the Lord decrees otherwise. He can and will protect His faithful servants He has given assignments to so that they too, may exercise their faith in Him to the utmost and so that His Word is fulfilled.
Alma wasn't burned was he? He obviously still had more work to complete. No known errand/assignment is made apparent of the believers who were burned.
Joseph Smith didn't DIE until his work of the Restoration was completed. The keys and authority of the Priesthood rested upon the 12 to continue the work. He even stated his work was complete and that if he died, the keys and authority were in place. Abinadi couldn't be harmed UNTIL his message/errand were completed as the Lord has tasked him to do.
Perhaps you should actually read and pray about Julie's and Spencer's accounts so that you have more than a general understanding/decision of what they do claim before handing out advice to those of us who have read their books and who read the scriptures concerning how the Lord has dealt with His servants.
And instead of being curious about gifts from Heavenly Father, pray to Him about them instead so that you gain further light and knowledge to expose Satan's imitations.
Your comment and advice are superficial, lacking discipline and conviction which leaves a strong aftertaste of doubt about "real" Heavenly validity of your spiritual experiences. You may want to pray to Heavenly Father and ask if it was "live or Memorex".
I'm confused....I thought Iraq lived in Cardston?
ReplyDeleteI would also like to know more of what was meant by Julie Rowe giving some wrong date as well as how the remark of Spencers calling could be known. First time to this site. Not sure if it's goofy or legit.
ReplyDeleteI assume that this is the information that is referred to when saying that Julie misspoke, dated January 27, 2014.
ReplyDelete"I continue to have dreams and very strong impressions (which started last September) - that in mid February, starting the second week - but particularly getting very difficult in the third week of February and into March - there are some very difficult days ahead for many. I am specifically speaking about some seriously wicked actions by those in power who are planning and preparing to attempt several wicked acts....specifically pertaining to biological and chemical destructive actions which will affect many people...."
This suggests that this even would have occurred during February to March, 2014. However, she may have been specifically vague in this regard. I could see that perhaps she may have also intended to post without reference to the exact year. Could it be February 2015 or 2016? I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.
Julie has given no dates, and thus has not been wrong about any date. Not sure where this is coming from.
ReplyDeleteYes, Spencer is a bishop. I don't know him but know who he is. He's legit.
There are no dates in her books, but that post about "mid February" suggests a timeframe. She has also talked several times about some events happening in the Spring or the Fall. She has said repeatedly that she doesn't know a specific year and to suggest otherwise is trying to read too much into her writing.
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